He means that religion is a set of established rules, such as morals, which harmonizes many different organisms into a coherent unity which can then compete with those organisms that are superior to each individual organism within it.
A compromise built on weakness and fear dependent on duplicity and repression.
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:11am
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Species: Chimpanzees
Behavior: Forced Copulation. ( Rape)
Male chimpanzees sometimes show extreme levels of aggression and violence towards females (Muller 2002). Cycling female chimpanzees advertise approaching ovulation with an ano-genital swelling. These swellings make females attractive to males, and males target aggression towards these females. Males also launch apparently unprovoked attacks against non-cycling females and those approaching ovulation. It has been suggested that this aggression may function as sexual coercion whereby the male intimidates the female into biasing her mating effort so that male receives a higher proportion of copulations either immediately, or in the longer term. Females are thought to be vulnerable to such coercion because they are often alone and without allies (Goodall 1986, Smuts and Smuts 1993, Wrangham and Peterson 1996).
Focal subjects were observed for over 1,600 hours. During observations, a total of 473 aggressive interactions between males and females were recorded. Males were the aggressors in 72% of these interactions, while females were aggressors in 28%. Female aggression towards males was often provoked by male aggression.
There is good evidence from my preliminary analysis that male aggression in chimpanzees does function as sexual coercion, in all three forms. Male chimpanzees use aggression to achieve mating – grabbing a female and holding her down while copulating (forced copulation), and repeatedly targeting a female until she copulates (harassment) after which the aggression stops. There are also indications that aggression against females not showing sexual swellings (intimidation) leads to future compliance. Such aggression is a “consistent and regular†aspect of the lives of female chimpanzees, to the extent that they will experience it repeated in a time-frame of days to weeks. Males therefore gain a direct mating benefit from aggression. Ongoing collaborative genetic work addressing paternity suggests further that consistently pursuing a sexual coercion strategy may have be an effective strategy for male reproductive success. Male aggression imposes costs on females: females show clear evidence of mating preference and engage in furtive copulation, suggesting that male aggression compromises female reproductive strategies. Females also show evidence of minor injury after beatings, and use behavioural strategies to counter male aggression. This aggression does therefore appear to be functioning as sexual coercion, and this is the first systematic demonstration, and quantification of the extent, of this behaviour in chimpanzees.
kent.ac.uk/anthropology/depa … ssion.html
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:14am
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He means that religion is a set of established rules, such as morals, which harmonizes many different organisms into a coherent unity which can then compete with those organisms that are superior to each individual organism within it.
A compromise built on weakness and fear dependent on duplicity and repression.
You got it!
( Magsj- Get a book and some notes, you might learn somthing in this thread.)
I do believe that we have here a running contradiction with feminist viewpoints.
I wonder how long their ideals would last outside a paternalistic system that ensures their ‘rights’, safety and defends their sexual choice.
Is gender a product of culture or is the elimination of gender, as with all natural phenomena that contradict human morals, a cultural product?
Allow me to connect it to my own GIANT thread.
The Feminization of Man , just because these moral laws are preventing the full expression of masculine choices, offer the illusion of equality and of harmonious coexistence.
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:17am
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I do believe that we have here a running contradiction with feminist viewpoints.
I wonder how long their ideals would last outside a paternalistic system that ensures their ‘rights’, safety and defends their sexual choice.
Is gender a product of culture or is the elimination of gender, as with all natural phenomena that contradict human morals, a cultural product?
I am going to go with feminism being a poppy fable tale religious idealization that is a contradiction in the face of nature.
Clearly by the illustrations of this thread which shows the extent of other ape species and animal behaviors only goes to prove this.
I have only got started on the animals who do force copulation.
( Still has to name all those animal species who murder their own, commit cannibalism, and utilize incest.)
( So much to do in such little time.)
I do believe we have a winner!!!
It’s very unfortunate that reality just doesn’t give a shit about our human inventions, isn’t it?
Too bad nature doesn’t care.
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Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:25am
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I do believe we have a winner!!!
It’s very unfortunate that reality just doesn’t give a shit about our human inventions, isn’t it?
Too bad nature doesn’t care.
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Primal instinct always wins out in every scenario of existence and as usual the hysterical rabble of humanists, idealists, religionists and moralists never can seem to fathom this blatant reality.
As Albert Camus said:
“Man’s insanity stems from his ongoing rationalization of a unrational indifferent cosmos.”
Xunzian
November 26, 2007, 4:28am
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What about a list of organisms that use methane for energy? Those for whom ammonia is a nutrient and not a poison? Those for whom oxygen is toxic?
MagsJ
November 26, 2007, 4:29am
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I have been reading the posts on your thread, Satyr, but have not felt the need to join in the discussions - I don’t know why…
Like I said… certain human traits will soon die out: as they are becoming obsolete for modern humans to progress with any further…
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:30am
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What does that have to do with this thread?
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:35am
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Magsj:
I have been reading the posts on your thread, Satyr, but have not felt the need to join in the discussions - I don’t know why…
Like I said… certain human traits will soon die out: as they are becoming obsolete for modern humans to progress with any further…
Let me rewrite your post to actually explain what you are really saying
Now your post looks much more honest.
Magsj:
I have been reading the posts on your thread, Satyr, but have not felt the need to join in the discussions - I don’t know why…
Like I said… certain human traits will soon die out: as they are becoming obsolete for modern humans to progress with any further…
Yes, and human intervention will make sure to select which traits become obsolete first.
And, if we acknowledge that these traits are eliminated due to human intervention then we are admitting that they are a technology, just like any other, which warps nature with unforeseeable consequences.
We all admit that man’s intervention on the planet earth has produced wonders but also that it now threatens man’s very existence due to the collateral consequences.
But beyond this, it become obvious that gender is not a human invention no more than rape or war or incest is.
Now let us explore the ramifications.
Joker:
Magsj:
I have been reading the posts on your thread, Satyr, but have not felt the need to join in the discussions - I don’t know why…
Like I said… certain human traits will soon die out: as they are becoming obsolete for modern humans to progress with any further…
Yes, and human intervention will make sure to select which traits become obsolete first.
And, if we acknowledge that these traits are eliminated due to human intervention then we are admitting that they are a technology, just like any other, which warps nature with unforeseeable consequences.
We all admit that man’s intervention on the planet earth has produced wonders but also that it now threatens man’s very existence due to the collateral consequences.
But beyond this, it become obvious that gender is not a human invention no more than rape or war or incest is.
Now let us explore the ramifications.
I second that motion!
I knew you would.
Presumably the religious minds will suggest that if we lobotomize the human brain that this will produce a passive, peaceful, easily controlled and manipulated creature, ideal for a harmonious society.
But, I don’t know about you, I’m reluctant to sign on to such an idealizing procedure, since I have far more to lose than them and because the costs far outweigh what they present as benefits.
Joker
November 26, 2007, 4:42am
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Species: Gorillas
Behavior: Male gorillas partake in infanticide to establish sexual reproduction with newborn mother gorillas.
Several species may kill their own young, or the young of other members of their group. When adult males take over a group, they may kill young members of the group. This leads to the females becoming fertile again quickly, so the males may father children of their own, rather than protecting the young of other males. Some dominant animals may eat young animals to enforce their dominance over submissive group members. Other animals may eat young in order to satisfy hunger pains or due to psychological stress, due to overcrowded conditions. If there are too many animals in a limited area, the whole group may die out, due to too little food being available. If many of the animals die, the food supply goes further and the survivors can produce young when conditions are ideal. All of these mechanisms may seem cruel, but many of the strategies have a logical basis, as they are geared towards survival of animal groups, rather than the survival of each individual.
en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/heard.htm
As is common in many species in the animal kingdom, infanticide on baby gorillas less than 4 years in age is practiced by a dominant silverback mountain gorilla when he initially assumes control of a group, though there are cases when infanticide does not happen at all. This practice frees adult females to once again conceive, allowing the silverback to promote his genetic make-up through off-spring. On the rare occasion, females have been known to migrate from one group to another to avoid infanticide.
rwandaecotours.com/gorillas/gorillas.shtml
I think such obscene occurrences can only be the product of paternalistic cultures and that if these creatures are placed in contact with their genuine selves they will soon find that they were manipulated by the system.
MagsJ
November 26, 2007, 4:48am
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I mean without human intervention - like I said, what has survival of the best got to do with religion?
Religion is how the worse join forces or place barriers on the best, so as to find power through unity sand through mind cotnrol.
Is another strategy for achieving power.
The meme imposing itself on the gene.
MagsJ
November 26, 2007, 4:56am
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Yes, and human intervention will make sure to select which traits become obsolete first.
But beyond this, it become obvious that gender is not a human invention no more than rape or war or incest is.
Now let us explore the ramifications.
I don’t recall saying anything about human intervention
I have never denied my femininity, and will gladly flirt with males who take my fancy, but I am always in control of the ‘game’ not they
This has got to be one of your poorest attempts to defend the indefensible.
Perhaps comparing man to trees will suit your purposes better.
Let man become a tree; silent, unmoving, peaceful, unobtrusive, unthinking.
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I am a different kind of ‘animal’ than the ones you are used to, sorry!
