Rationalization

If you did indeed mean that you will show your proofs when asked, don’t forget the earlier requests.

Please provide proof that you can see and understand why every person is the way they are and why they do the things they do.

Please provide proof that everyone here is in a cult.

Thank you.

For extra credit you can prove these two:

Every adult abuses children

What is called ‘time travel’ is not just possible but can be done very simply and very easily.

I think his viewpoint as a completely valid and more technically correct one, absolutely. What do you think?

No, i read the rest of it too Anew, claims that go without not only evidence or proof but also a foundation.
The scientific community agrees with you? Thats so absurd its actually cute.
“Hey bro, the scientific community totally agrees with me that basic physics does not work”
Sure they do anew.
Imagine being the dude who demands proof of everyone else, and then throws out bs claims like these not only without proof but without a shred of sense to it as well.

No, all i told you was that i dont care about your beliefs. Remember the topic anew. Rationalization.
If you cant package your beliefs and emotions in a valid argument, then they mean nothing to anyone.
“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”

Oh? So now it’s “even before i asked you to bring proof i knew you had none, so i didnt even need you to bring proof, i was just gaslighitng you”

Do you think you did anything here beside proving my point that you are a shit posting troll? :rofl:

Oh indeed we can mr “i dont need proof, i decide whats true or not and the scientific community totally agrees with me on it”
Man, narcissism can feel like shit it seems. When you have to go extra retarded and twist yourself into a knot just to somehow try and maintain the facade of intellectual superiority.

Give it a break dude, all you are doing right now is making everyone guess whether you are a troll a clown or actually psychologically impaired and acting as the extension of a coping mechanism.

People tend to try to determine the source of inconsistency when they see one. You are behaving like a muppet so they gonna try to narrow down the ratio between troll, clown and psychologically unfit.

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Why do i presume to believe that you asked me about beliefs? Are you having a mental breakdown anew?

So i guess Flannel was correct.

Not only have you been questioning me repeatedly about my point despite of having not understood any of it, you also claimed that the scientific community agrees with you on something you couldnt even comprehend.

Must feel really shit to have this compulsory mechanism where you keep on pushing arrogance and intellectual superiority even after you’ve done goofed so bad that people start to question your mental consistency.

Here’s the truly ironic thing: he compared himself, earlier, in other threads, to Galileo, said Atla and I were treated him the way people treated Galileo. His whole point was that he is a modern day Galileo meeting the resistance of ignorant people. Of course, Gallileo produced a 600 page tome with a very large amount of data and arguments to support his case, and further was supported by many lay and expert people as well, in addition to the poor treatment he got from the Church. No need to point out that this is not what anew1 does. He does not present evidence, in fact he says he doesn’t do evidence. His ‘proofs’ can include a list of 10 nouns and the instruction to do the list. Though generally he doesn’t bother with even this much.

The irony: he is reacting to you very much as he sees people reacting to Galileo. The ran on the Biblical and Ptolemaic Model, and he presented a better model. You are doing the same thing - relaying the ideas of scientists, in this case - that are more accurate than the heliocentric model, which is a mere approximation. So, he is doing, in relation to you, exactly what the people of Galileo’s time who disagreed with Galileo were doing. And he is doing that while being condescending.

How many pages would you like the proof in, roughly?

Define ‘cult’.

If this is what you really want to believe is true, then okay.

Are you like “nausamedu” and believe that the earth does not revolve around the sun. Or, are you with “galileo Galilei” and say that the earth does revolve around the sun.

Even in “nausamedu’s” clip it shows the earth revolving around the sun.

Did you miss that as well?

Also, if you ask instead of demanding, you will be provided with a different outcome.

Finally.

Once more.

It is perfectly obvious that he is driven by a compulsory neurotic trait and not by any kind of intellectual fervor such as arguing for his own sense of truth.

If the latter would be the case then his arguments and position would be consistent, but the only consistency he is providing across all threads is his insurmountable need of taking a higher position than his opposition and it doesnt matter if it comes at the cost of logic, rationality, proof, evidence, or anything else.

The precise nature of the compulsory pattern would take a while to pin down, but since it manifests itself as a need for superiority, its either a narcissistic defensive disorder or something along the lines of megalomania.
However, since he is showing clear signs of desperation about it from time to time, i’d lean towards narcissistic defense.

You can take two routes with such a person.
Either you internalize in them that everyone can see what they are doing and that nobody presses them to be right all the time, especially on a forum where ideas meet ideas and constantly get debunked, or, alternatively, you just corner them till they break, at which point you can assure them that you are not their enemy.

Only anew could tell you why he feels the need to do what he is doing.
But for that he’d have to acknowledge his own faults, problem and reflect on all of it.
Which judging by his behavior, he is absolutely not read to do. Sadly.

‘you’ say it is a ‘double standard’ if ‘I’ do not do what ‘you’ human beings here do. So, it is this forum. Go look for it “yourself”. Then you will know the truth.

Is that better?

If you believe and say so, okay.

Sure is, but “atla” believes ‘I’ am a “she”.

To create or build the goal of the Nine Steps, the same procedure you referred to here also needs to be followed. Only after reading the instructions in each of the Nine Steps and using the tools there can one come to understand the process better, which is how and when what it is designed within it can be built and created, and so can become Reality, Itself.

Because I left the word out that I usually have included in there.

Did I?

Okay.

But it does not contradict at all.

Just believe it does. So, that is all you can see and hear here.

I suggest, once again, you read the actual words I say and write here, from the Mind only, and not from your preexisting beliefs and presumptions.

One day, hopefully soon, you will come to see and understand this suggestion for what it means, exactly.

It is good that you present examples of how you only see, and hear, what you want to, and while providing examples of how you do it, exactly.

Okay.

Why do you tell “yourself” that you are supposed to do this?

Thank you again for repeating what I say and claim. It obviously certainly saves me doing it.

The length of text you think is required for you to have proven it.

You said we were in a cult. Your definition can be part of the proof.

Do I really?

If you want to believe so, then will you provide actual proof of this?

If no, then why not?

Again, I write in a very specific way. And, for the very reason this one has tricked “itself” into believing.

There is no actual contradiction there, but it is so very easy to speak and write where others believe, absolutely, that there are contradictions. As “greenfuse” believes, absolutely, also.

If this is what you really want to believe is absolutely true, then this is perfectly fine and okay with me.

If you and others are secure within “yourselves” and so with ‘the words’ you express here, then you will not be left vulnerable when I expose your assumptions.

Yes I do, and I obviously do for the very reasons I have stated many times already why I do this.

What word was that? Also you said the same thing several times with different wordings, but the same point that you were not here to do that, once saying that it won’t happen.

Yes, those were quotes.

You said

The very fact that I am not necessarily here to substantiate my claims means

they will not be.

Here you assert that you will not substantiate your claims. That’s a contradiction, since you’ve said you will, unlike us, do this. If you’ve changed your mind, fine, just let us know.

I notice you avoid explaining what is being misinterpreted. The contradiction is obvious. If you are using some word in a way most English speakers do not, it’s up to you to explain that.

Those were claims you have not yet substantiated or proven. If you haven’t been asked before, you have now, in that post you are quoting.

You claimed you had proved something here. Where did you do this? I thought you told FJ that you, unlike us, back up your claims with proof.

I have never done a single thing here to so-call “piss” absolutely anyone off here.

Again,

  1. If one wants to express their belief or a claim, then expect to get questioned and/or challenged, especially considering the forum we are in.

  2. I express my claims because I know I can back them up and support them with proof.

  3. I just wait patiently for those who are seriously curious and interested in learning and understanding more and anew.

If I know what I do, and others might not yet, then this is certainly not superiority at all.

This is just me knowing some things, which others do not. Exactly like others know some things, which i do not.

Just in this one little sentence there are four things that are absolutely False and Wrong.

Again, things are introduced, which are just not True at all.

you have not produced one single academic definition that proves ‘your claim’ that there is proof that the earth does not revolve around the sun.

What is becoming a great example of “rationalization” is this thread has turned into being ‘about me’ now, and what can be clearly seen is how these people would try to “rationalize” their views, beliefs, and claims ‘about me’.

Why ask others for advice?

Why not just keep doing exactly what you have been doing here?

What you have been doing is providing perfect examples of how the Mind and the brain work, which helps me tremendously to provide the very proof some people want for my claims.

I don’t know what you are responding in what I wrote.

Okay.