Religion and/or spirituality is paramount in a rich culture

An explanation for the bland, unimaginative existentialist thinking in modernity is the lack of social events involving the family and personal beliefs and traditions. One example is how Christmas in the United States has become so distasteful and materialistic there is no purpose to the mundane decorating of the tree or cookies for an imaginary character in storybooks. Our consumerism has truly taken over a meaningful holiday, and our cynical analytical thinking has watered the mystery and spirit to another day centered around lies, and another reason to buy shit we don’t need to spend time with people we probably would rather not.

It’s as though if you believe in something (other than only science) you’re gullible and don’t account for the ‘facts’ of science. You’re not being honest if you don’t admit with absolute certainty that the universe is a cold, unconscious random happening of events. This, on the contrary, is not a default position. There is no truth of the matter, or facts you must retaliate or be an enemy to.

All around me I see people smart, dumb, old, young, all races and creeds converts to the global atheist blend-in liberal mindset where it’s become illegal to be different or hold your own beliefs. What can’t be observed and kept under control by methodological paradigms of science and industry is left behind as ancient forbidden voodoo. Art can only then be a thing of the past and culture along with it.

The best part of Christmas, like the best part of anything, is a sense of kinship, generosity, love, good will, and appreciation. Most everything else, whether “religious” or “secular” is just more trash to add to the landfill. That “trash” includes barbaric beliefs such as that we will all spend an eternity in hell just because we don’t believe Jesus “died for our sins” or that my life can only meaningfully consist of no more than what science tells me it consists of.

It’s interesting that Christmas centers around the birth of a child. If only the Christian message were about the dignity and divinity of all life, and not of just one particular life.

Sometimes when I feel somewhat alienated or miserable, I try to slow down a little and notice the positive things in a situation. I give a nudge or two to my sense of appreciation, and it really does help a lot. It’s not necessary to be in some amazingly wonderful situation or anything. Any situation is workable, not one is solid or immovable.

That’s not existentialism’s doing btw.
That tail belongs pinned on exponential multiculturalism in an increasingly perpetual industrialization.

Existentialism, as a school of thought, would find great value to be had in Christmas.

Most people confuse, “mundane”, with, “meaningless”.
Those concepts are not actually the same; or rather, people take the concept of meaningless the wrong way most of the time.

I suppose the advent of gift giving as a tradition began with the 3 Magi that brought gifts for the birth of the Messiah. This quite possibly being viewed as a quasi gift giving marking that time propagated into a reason for retailers using this opportunity to make up for slow sales duirng the year and a chance to reduce inventory so as not to be taxed against in the upcoming year. Seeing how the US is largely dependent on retail sales to bolster the economy and encourage fiscal growth, it has deep seated itself as the backbone of that potential.

People being what they are often over extend themselves to buy those things for their family which fuels the reason why consumerism has overshadowed the true meaning of Christmas. My focus has now altered to my grandson who just turned three by seeing how he revels at viewing the lights, decorated trees and all the bright trappings that has become associated with this time of the year. I enjoy living vicariously through his excitement at something he just now recognizes as a fun time of people getting together and opening presents.

So, are we as Americans blessed to live in a culture with the ability of giving gifts to family and friends even to the point of excess or are we spoiled? Depending on one’s perspective this could be hard to answer. There are a lot of variables that come into play when thinking about it’s consequences. Personally, instead of all the stress of shopping, I would like to donate time to a non-profit organization like ‘Elf Louise’ which gets gift donations which are given to poor families. Maybe help with food drives so those same families could have a decent Christmas meal through an organization like ‘The Salvation Army’. I feel I am blessed all year round and would like to try to make others happy even for a brief time. There is no telling how it could affect some of those who wold receive such things wherein they might help others such as they were during times of need. In giving of myself, this is how I would receive joy.

Hi echo, long time no chat. Is it really that uncommon for an ideal to be co-opted by power and wealth to their own ends? Do the mass majority of people follow the dictates of power and wealth? I’ll share a “Christmas story”. A lady came into my place of business one early December day seeking donations for her church to provide a Christmas dinner for the poor and homeless. I gave her money and thanked her for her willingness to back her convictions with action. Then I asked her what her church was doing for the poor and homeless the other 364 days of the year. Were they not hungry but one day a year? With a deer-in-the-headlights stare, she told me that she honestly didn’t know, and in a face saving gesture said, “but I’ll find out”. Religion is full of warm fuzzies occasionally, but the spirituality, the understanding that we are our brother’s keeper fades all too quickly.

Don’t lose sight of your understanding, remember it in July and August. Oh, and Merry Christmas! :slight_smile:

I like how kids no older than 20 like to talk about how things have become…

Assuming that something is actually different than the way it used to be, does the age of an individual who brings it up somehow negate the fact?

Stumps brought up a good point concerning your attack on “existentialism”.

Existentialism has been pretty strongly associated with certain images, action and ideas in popular culture(s), but these connotations seem to make a lot of people misinterpret the basic (and very general) idea of the word (which can refer to many seemingly opposite ways of thinking).

Someone may celebrate Christmas by buying gifts for family and friends
(even though those people don’t need this things… and the act of thinking about and buying the gifts was initiated by the idea the person ought to give them gifts, because it would be bad not to)
and doing other actions (buying and decorating a tree, putting up lights, etc.)
for no religious (or consciously deemed “spiritual”) purpose,
but not celebrating Christmas with THAT (kind of) meaning doesn’t mean the holiday is meaningless (to the person).

I will say that I also think consumerism has ill effects, as advertising tends to convince people that what they are selling will make them happier (or less miserable), and oftentimes, in order to do this, it attempts to make you feel a lack of something (makes you feel anxious and/or not content with your situation).

However, to describe the mindset “of” (/ways of thinking culturalized by and propagating) “modernity”
(I am assuming you refer to capitalism, industrialism, secularism, etc… that that came after the enlightenment period deemed “reason”–and efficiency, and then productivity–the “right”/“good” way to think, be, do, blah)
as “existential”
(even if you are taking my above description of “modernity” and pinpointing it on what’s specifically going on NOW)
doesn’t make sense.

The kind of thinking you are actually referring to is rationalism which
–when considered alongside existentialism as another kind of basic distinguishable (philosophical) “attitude”
(IE both considered as distinctive “contexts” of “knowledge” from which one defines and pursues “good”, and accordingly judges other things)
is much, much different from existentialism.

I can see how you can of “existentialism” as one valuing one’s own pleasure (and making that the goal of one’s existence),
and from there think that (emotionally manipulative) advertisers (the minds “of” consumerism)
are willfully seeking pleasure (through an income) at the detriment (lessening and/or preventing of pleasure) of others,
and then (I can see how you could) deem those personal-existence-pleasure-seeking mindsets “existentialist” and conclude this a sign of “existentialist thinking in modernity”.

BUT, I could then argue that EVERYONE acts to obtain pleasure (and/or avoid displeasure)–everyone acts towards (their subjectively defined, and reality-contextualizing) “good”/“right”;
when the advertiser consciously plays with people’s emotions so he can make an income, he is probably doing it, above all, because having a certain excess of money is “good”, right?

What I’m basically saying is that an existentialist
(who actually judges things according to a basic existential context)
isn’t (…necessarily, at least) some bitter misanthrope who “lives his own life” because he’s too selfish, antisocial or whatever else to see and live by the “rich” (and absolute) meaning of things around him
(of and for the right purpose, with which “modernity” is at odds).
The (actual) existentialist interprets (his qualitative judgments of) things in light of the idea that that judgment of good or bad, right or wrong, is wholly HIS
–the “meaning” results from his own mind (which results from past experiences); it is not deemed as being (or being in light with, or in conflict with) any objective meaning and purpose (requiring “right” ways of being).

If the existentialist finds himself irritated with another person, and notices that he’s deemed(/associated) the person with some “bad” (word), the existentialist interprets that judgment (and the corresponding discomfort) as HIS experience–rather than trying to explain why the person is indeed “bad”/“wrong”
(according to some objective and righteous value and purpose)
he “accepts responsibility” for his role as the storyteller and thinks according to the goal to avoid HIS discomfort. It may be as simple as walking away and immediately feeling better
(…as opposed to getting all worked up trying to defend not only the righteousness of his initial judgment, but even the goodness of himself)
or, if he feels it may be a frequent agitation in the future
(whether the person is a regular acquaintance or whether some particular action–that has been deemed the source of the discomfort–is anticipated to come up again and again),
he will investigate why that thing gave him a “bad” experience to see if he can prevent similar experiences in the future.

Yes, a lot of people think that way. The part I put in bold is (an) especially ludicrous (way of thinking)
… the first sentence I also find silly, when seen in light of the next
(otherwise, I think that–depending on what one means by “believe”–it can be a valid point).

But attacking another person’s beliefs by saying it is at odds with some absolute truth that something is or is not some “thing” (in this case, “cold”, “unconscious” and “random”),
when that “truth” has no empirical support,
is not existential thinking.