Religious Hatred

Jews have taken it on the chops for too long. Time to fight back. No, I often disagree with Prager, but will listen to him regarding Judaism, as he is credentialed to discuss this discipline. At least try to understand their plight. Here is a piece from a very right-wing, sometime nutty Dennis Prager:

Explaining Jews, Part III: A very insecure people

By Dennis Prager

Feb 21, 2006

On Jan. 21 in Paris, a gang of Muslims intent on kidnapping Jews kidnapped 23-year-old Ilan Halimi. Reciting verses from the Koran in phone conversations demanding money from the family, they ultimately rejected the money and tortured Halimi to death. They kept him naked for weeks while they cut him up and finally poured flammable liquid over his skin and burned him alive.

When Jews read this story, they see themselves as Halimi and think that such a thing could happen to them somewhere in the world today and somewhere in the world at any time in the past.

If you want to understand how Jews think and behave, you must first understand how large antisemitism and the Holocaust loom in the psyche, emotions and minds of the vast majority of Jews.

It could not be otherwise.

While ethnic, racial, religious and national hatreds are as old as mankind, none has been as universal and as deep as hatred of Jews.

Jew-hatred was given the name “anti-Semitism” only in 1879 by a German anti-Semite named Wilhelm Marr. The term is entirely misleading since it has nothing to do with “Semites.” Jews may be Semites, but so are Arabs, and antisemitism never meant hatred of Arabs, only of Jews. That is why many contemporary writers, including my coauthor (Rabbi Joseph Telushkin) and I in our book “Why the Jews? The Reason for Antisemitism,” do not spell the word “anti-Semite,” but rather as one word without a hyphen – “antisemite.”

Jew-hatred or antisemitism has been so deep that tens of millions of people have equated the Jews with the devil and many more have desired that the Jews be erased from the Earth. Such an attempt was made only one generation ago in what is called the Holocaust (or Shoah, the Hebrew term). This was the German Nazi attempt to murder every Jewish man, woman and child, which resulted in the murder of two out of every three Jews in Europe.

To give an idea of how many Jews have been murdered for being Jews, all one needs to do is look at population statistics. Scholars estimate the population of the Roman Empire at about 60 million at the time of Jesus. According to the dean of Jewish historians, Professor Salo Baron, at that time Jews comprised about 10 percent of the population. That means that 2,000 years ago there were about 6 million Jews. It is also estimated that at that time, the world’s population was about 200 million.

Today the world’s population is over 6 billion. While the world’s population is about 30 times larger than 2,000 years ago, the Jewish population has barely doubled. Had Jews been left alone to procreate at the same rate as others, there would be about 180 million Jews in the world today. Moreover, even the 6 million number for the Roman empire represented a huge loss of population due to extensive killing of Jews in the 12 centuries from their inception.

It is true that Jewish population losses have been also due to assimilation, but this assimilation was itself overwhelmingly a result of persecution – forced conversions, desire to lead a far safer life as part of the majority culture, etc. In fact, because of the Holocaust, there are fewer Jews today than there were 100 years ago.

One can now understand why the Passover Haggadah – the special prayer book for the Passover Seder meal, first written about 2,000 years ago – contains this famous statement: "In every generation there are those who rise against us to annihilate us . . . "

As a result, Jews are probably the most insecure group in the world. This may come as a surprise to most non-Jews since Jews are widely regarded as particularly powerful. But Jews’ power and Jews’ insecurity are not mutually contradictory. In fact, Jews’ power derives in large measure from their insecurity. The stronger the Jews’ influence, Jews believe, the less likely they are to be hurt again.

Fear of being hurt again is the major reason most identifying Jews are so protective of Israel. First, they fear that without Israel, Jews are far more vulnerable to another outburst of antisemitic violence. And this has been true. Israel, for example, was Soviet Jewry’s great defender (along with America and Diaspora Jewry) and the place to escape to. Only a very strong Israel, Jews believe, can prevent another Holocaust. Second, Jews believe that Arabs and other Muslims want to do to Israel and its Jewish inhabitants what the Nazis did to the Jews. And given the Palestinians’ desire to destroy Israel, the Iranian regime’s repeated calls for the annihilation of Israel, and the number of Muslims who chant, “Death to Israel,” this fear is entirely warranted.

Fear of being persecuted and even murdered solely for being a Jew resides in just about every Jew’s psyche. It helps to explain Jews’ preoccupation with Israel; Jews’ preoccupation with teaching the world about the Holocaust; Jews’ fear of Christianity – most Jews are taught about European Christian antisemitism at a very young age and link Christianity to the Holocaust; and even Jews’ near-religious commitment to liberalism, which most Jews see as the best guarantor against antisemitism. An increasing number of Jews are rethinking the latter two conclusions as a result of Christian treatment of Jews in America and Christian support for Israel and because of the lack of such support on the Left. But whatever one’s position on these matters, the fact remains that fear of pogroms, torture, expulsions and mass murder shapes most Jews’ psyches and politics.

Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host, author, and contributing columnist for Townhall.com.

Copyright © 2006 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

there is so much religious hatred going on, not just
Muslim vs Jews, but christian vs Muslim, conservative
christian vs just about everybody. the issue is really about
each religion believing they have the final and only word about
god. That is the real problem. Don’t fixate on just the one
issue, Muslim vs Jew. We have a major problem in this country
that cannot be ignored because of the Mideast Muslim vs Jew issue.

Kropotkin

Why, Pete? If you can fixate on Bush with religious fervor, why not fixate on Jews? [-X

Phaedrus:
Why, Pete? If you can fixate on Bush with religious fervor,
why not fixate on Jews?

K: Religious Fervor? As an atheist, I must object, well no,
ok, religious fervor is about right. But everyone brings up religious
hatred in terms of the Jews and yet here in this country we have
a major problem in terms of religious hatred which is just not
addressed. In the south after the last election, churches kicked
out members who voted for Kerry. And the fanatic religious right
wing, is driving the agenda for the republicans in terms of the social
issues, homosexuality and the like. The easiest way to understand
the radical religious in America is to know they mirror the
radical Islamic of the muslim religion.

Kropotkin

Hum, hyperbole no less. Please, I do not see Christians sawing individuals heads off, gunning down priests, burning people alive, massacring Muslims who are of a different sect. Your anger against Bush, and I am no big fan, has warped your reason.

K: Religious Fervor? As an atheist, I must object, well no,
ok, religious fervor is about right. But everyone brings up religious
hatred in terms of the Jews and yet here in this country we have
a major problem in terms of religious hatred which is just not
addressed. In the south after the last election, churches kicked
out members who voted for Kerry."

A:This was because of Kerry’s prochoice stance.

K: a church is about god and peoples relationship with god.
One political views does not hinder nor promote an
individual relationship with god and certainly a church has
no right to involve itself with someone’s political views.
Recall that was one of the very reasons for this country
founding. religious freedom from persecution from both the state
and other competing religious.

K: the radical religious in America is to know they mirror the
radical Islamic of the Muslim religion.

A: Hum, hyperbole no less. Please, I do not see Christians sawing individuals heads off, gunning down priests, burning people alive, massacring Muslims who are of a different sect. Your anger against Bush, and I am no big fan, has warped your reason.

K: Not at all. The religious right would gladly follow
the islamic faith and do terrible things to people.
And for centuries they did those things, burn people to
the stake and the like. Recall the Salem witch hunts of
1692 was done in the name of religion. and I am historian
enough to know about the inquisition of the middle ages.
And the current witch hunt against gay marriage is done
in religion’s name, "God forbid it as against his will’
and my personal favorite
“a marriage is between a man and a women as defined in the bible.”
sodomy was against the law (on religious grounds) as recently
as 15 years ago. I don’t share your faith in the goodness of
organized religion. (I liked the pun, how about you?)

Kropotkin

The real fully practicing Jews believe in much the same stuff as Islam, which is just an extension of, and really a return to Judaism, after an attempt to reform its bigotry via Christianity. So, practicing jews deserve all of the discrimination that can be heaped on them, as that’s what they would have for you.

Dunno about religious hatred, but I sure do hate religion.

Tab,

That’s my overall message.

They need to go.

If it weren’t religious hatred, we’d find some other excuse. The game of us-them is practiced in every culture in every generation. It is the pervasive environment; It is present at every level of cultural practices, at every age level. Comparison-contrast. Our greatest learning tool. It is also our greatest obstacle to personal growth and understanding. Religious hatred is just a convenient way to create a devil to strive against. It is man struggling to find meaning without having to face themselves. Better to fight an external devil than to deal with our own shortcomings. I’m all for hatred. It keeps me busy… :unamused:

JT

“If it weren’t religious hatred, we’d find some other excuse.”

Well, I’m up for a new one!

What you’re saying, or seem to be, reminds me of what drug dealers would say in the prison, “well, if I’m not selling it, then some other guy will, so why change.”

On the contrary, I would be tickled if we could somehow find a way past our willingness to create the ubiquitous us-them scenario. I’m still waiting for someone to come up with a solution that isn’t co-opted by yet another group who twists it into a more sophisticated us-them game. Any changes I have seen are at the personal level. There are those who find ways to transcend the us-them game, but they also understand that it only works in their personal lives. The vast majority of the world’s peoples haven’t the luxury of time to contemplate the issue. They’re too busy trying to find physical survival. That we are our own devil never reaches the threshold of awareness for most in any society. It’s much easier to find the external devils and hate them. In this sense, religion simply becomes the devil of convenience. The root cause of hatred lies within the individual.

JT

I agree with what you’re saying however I’m for getting rid of known problems even if there are others that will crop up.

I realize that my hair is getting a little thin but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to stop trying to keep in shape. Yes, I’m going to die, but I’m trying to optimize my existence before that happens.

I think that the same is possible with humanity. The US has done it, or has made significant gains, in many areas, although we still have a boatload of problems.

Could be that it isn’t really religious hatred but hatred with religion as an excuse?

Football is like that. The football or the object of controversy looks somewhat like a large brown turd. Men form into teams to collectively strengthen themselves in their effort to have this object placed on their desired end of the field called “goal.” Then they go through combat even at the cost of serious injury to determine which side is the most succesful in placing this giant turd within its favored goal.

Now some wised mouth kid could ask why this apparently ordinary looking object acquires such extraordinary attention and if they are really fighting over it or something else but would undoubetly be swatted away as too young to understand.

upon reading aspacia’s quote up there, i imagine a jew cowering in a corner as a nazi and arab kick him like they want him to die.

then the jew throws a molotov cocktail at the nazi, killing him, and maiming some innocent bystanders. then the bystanders gather around and start kicking. the jew airstrikes them and kills them and all of their families. i dont feel so bad for him anymore.

[b]have the jews killed more arabs than arabs have killed jews?

does that matter!!![/b]

“[T]he issue is really about each religion believing they have the final and only word about god”.

Close, but wrong, perhaps you should consider religious studies. Prior to introducing the primary issue, I must ask, does morality really depend upon god/God? Well…um…no. First and foremost, the issue is about each free moral agent (individual) believing they have the final say on what morality means to them. This premise allows us to enjoin all the guilty players: the atheist, the agnostic as well as the theist.

Each player on the scene of morality would like to shape, define and become the mouth piece of the Final Authority. Who is the Final Authority? Throughout the Ages the Final Authority has been either God or Government. Continually, disputes arise over which God and which Government, or who will rule by divine Right, because social agencies wield great power among the primarily ignorant masses.

Peter,
I am going to have to disagree with you that religion is about a personal relationship with the divine. Religion is primarily about community. Fingarette’s “The Secular as Sacred” raises many point that I agree with.
Not to go all Durkheim here, but Religion is a social glue that holds a society together. To reduce it to the personal level is to miss the primary point of religious existence. It is essentially a form of dispersed nationalism.
Because religion is a nationalistic movement with a supposed monopoly on morality, of course it is within their bounds to further the US vs. Them mentality and excommunicate members who fail to fall in line.
Producing a homogeneous culture is the goal, so the occasional pruning makes sense from a religious perspective. Otherwise, all you are left with is a piss-poor version of Protestantism.

"religion is a nationalistic movement: :astonished: ?

Religion is a power tool, which politicians attempt to harness in order to herd the dispersed nationalistic masses who mindlessly chew their cud or while watching “Friends” of “Survivor”.

Really, do you honestly beleive that Bush Junior actually reads his Bible? I suspect his only agenda is to harness the power of the Religious Right.

Of course religion is a power tool! Us vs. Them. That is quintessential nationalism. The arbitrary divide between two groups of people based on 1) Belief 2) Geography 3) Phenotype 4) Other.

Is the idea of the Crusades between Christendom Vs. Islam/Heathens any different from say it was a war between Europe and the Turks/Caliphate?

Religion is nationalism at a lower resolution. Look at the Turkish attempts to join the EU. Don’t tell me that Ethno/religio-discrimination doesn’t play a huge role there.

LOL, they picked a fight and lost, and more of them have died and will die than Jews. Jews simply cannot afford to throw away Jewish lives, as the Muslims can.

BTW: the Allies killed more Germans and Japanese than vice versa. They picked a fight and lost.
this is the usual scenario when a belligerent loses the war.

You have jumped on the liberal bandwagon and do not bother to really read and analyze both sides of the issues.