In a way, worship of the Virgin is the purest form of worship in Catholicism.
Rather than God made flesh, she is a woman put in the highest altar, and we ask her on our behalf to intercede before God.
Why do you believe that being a virgin is to be put in the highest altar?
Seriously, just stop speaking for worldviews. Even if you yourself hold the worldview, donât say it represents a group of peopleâs worldview. Catholics would not agree with your characterization, unless they also believe karma and Mercuryâs (and, câmone, Plutoâs) retrograde motion significantly impacts their fate.
I willingly have the hook in my mouth as I take the bait into absurdity, for your information.
Maybe you should talk to more Catholics, show them that note, see what they think.
You think theyâre gonna say they worship Mary? Get real.
Why donât you go ahead and find one and ask them.
AVE MARIA
GRATIA PLENA
DOMINVS TECVM
BENEDICTA TV IN MVLERIBVS
ET BENEDICTVS FRVCTVS VENTRIS TVI IESVS
SANCTA MARIA MATER DEI
ORA PRO NOBIS PECCATORIBVS
NVNC
ET IN HORA MORTIS NOSTRAE
AMEN
You need to up your game, Samson.
Relevant:
I said ask a Catholic, not your computer.
Unless by âmisrepresent peopleâs worldviewâ you meant âaccurately represent peopleâs worldview that me and my chatbot totally disagree with.â
Catholics managed to subvert the absence of the divine female, despite scripture, despite the male hierarchy, despite the incredible resistance if this had been done verbally, quickly or politically. They went right through the religion itself, ignored it, and like bricoleurs found a way to their Motherâs arms.
Ok thanks commie.
Remember when you said nobody was protesting?
I was praising, imbecile.
I stand corrected , I am an imbicile.
Subvert the abscence. Youâre too fancy for me.
ILP doesnât deserve you man. Sorry for my imbicility.
Let me attempt some kind of redemption by an undeserving supposed thoughtful reply.
I think what set me off was reading âdivine female.â Then I went into retard mode and started skimming.
The thing there would be that the whole point is that the Virgin isnât divine. She is the holy mother, but she is not divine, and she is not an archetype. She is human, a person. Not God made person. An actual original born person. Even immaculate conception was by the grace of God, a miracle, not due to a divinity of her own.
And now she sits in the highest place, at the right hand of God.
I get that you didnât necessarily mean that Catholics see it that way, but that you, a religious man with your own perspective, perceive it that way. And it was beautifully written.
Well, thank you. Yes, it was my personal view, not that I am Catholic. I am not sure what the Catholic parishoners are thinking/feeling. I doubt most of them are committed to some ontological position on Mary. But they talk to her, pray to her. She may have been a born regular human, but now she is something well beyond that in their practices, it seems to me, even if catholics praying to her are not taking some kind of stand. It feels like it came out of a yearning, not some theological process. Perhaps a yearning coupled with insight. Gut insight. I am not making some permanent claim. Itâs not one I can prove. I do think itâs at least a part of what is going on, and yes, itâs my take coming from my own perspectives. And this is definitely not politics. I think itâs perfect that this happened in Catholicism, where the traditional female is much more common. Itâs not about feminism or equality. It did not happen in Protestantism. Thereâs a lovely darkness in Catholicism I donât find in other Christianities. More mystery and presence.
wut the frick is that
anyway get a load oâ this
Its French for a handyman, tinkerer, or jack-of-all-trades. It refers to a person who constructs or creates things using whatever diverse materials, tools, or resources happen to be available at hand, rather than relying on specialized equipment or pre-planned designs. But Iâm thinking of it more in Levi-Straussâ use of it. He contrasted the engineer - who works systematically from theory, using highly specialized tools and concepts designed precisely for the task at hand - with the bricoleur - who improvises and adapts âstuff lying aroundâ for purposes they were not originally intended for in mythology and folklore. The bricoleur reuses existing cultural symbols, rituals, and language to construct new meanings and ideas.
Weâre supposed to think the engineer is superior, but he argued that the bricoleur had a very ingenious approach, very creative.
I think this is what religion actually is. Protestantism is too abstract, too intellectual, too moralistic.
Religion is about literal tactile truth. A good religion will, through its myths and ceremonies, bring you in actual contact with the immortals.
It is manâs imperfect traces, toward the divine. Judaism has this also. At the risk of presuming too much, I think Ichthus also has contact with it, is just âCatholic,â just literal, enough. I often see in Protestantism a tendency towards making it all a symbol for psychological or materialistic realities, about the mundane.
A lovely darkness. Very nicely said.