Robert F Kennedy Jr

But: My own perspective here is no less a profoundly problematic existential contraption rooted subjectively in dasein. Now, if what you are arguing is that I am arguing that everyone else is obligated to view their own perspective in that manner in turn then, well, sure, if that’s what you believe “in your head” then that makes it true. For you.

But beyond just believing it, how would you go about demonstrating to others that they are obligated to believe what you do too?

I will flat out admit that I can’t demonstrate my own frame of mind here. On the contrary, the gist of my argument in regards to things like vaccinations is that, sans God, mere mortals are only able to exchange moral and political assessments rooted in prejudices rooted in dasein rooted in the understanding that given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, “I” am always confronted with at least the possibilty of reconfiguring my point of view about the rightness or the wrongness of vaccines.

Again, this, in my view, is what the objectivists among us most fear. Not that they aren’t right about their own point of view here, but that no point of view can ever be clearly, definitively demonstrated to be either right or wrong.

The fragmented and fractured “I”.

I’m saying that you insist that everyone discuss it in terms of your perspective … political economy, dasein, definitive demonstrations. And in the religious threads … morality, salvation and afterlife.

Why do you think that you are accused of being a spammer and a troll? You go into a thread and switch the topic to dasein and your interests.

Come on, most of my contributions/posts at ILP revolve around threads that I started. In fact, I don’t participate at all in the preponderance of threads.

And, over and over and over again, I make it crystal clear that my interest in philosophy revolves around morality here and now and immortality there and then. At the existential juncture of identity, value judgments and political economy.

This and such “metaphysical” quandaries as determinism and the nature of existence itself.

No, I think those here inclined to label me a spammer and a troll are pissed off at me for others reasons. I have my own take on that and they have theirs.

After all, in forums of this nature some are more readily made to look like, say, stooges than others. If I do say so myself. :wink:

Nice anecdotal ‘evidence’. Notice no response to any of the research. So basically you decided to re-assert your position. And you consider yourself, for some reason, on the rational team.

And there are those people who believe that. I don’t. I think it is much more nuanced than that. But pick the most extreme position, dismiss it without evidence or argument, if that makes you think you actually just did something or contributed to a conversation.

In a world where the tobacco industry managed to create vast amounts of scientific research befuddling all sorts of government regulartion for decades, you’d think people who simply trust industry generation pr and research would consider it possible that SOME vaccines are problematic and unsafe.

But no. People like you feel not the slightest need to investigate a damn thing. You come with anectdotal evidence, make blanket assertions, respond as if the only counter-position is binarily opposite yours, and investigate nothing.

You should be embarrassed but you’re smug.

Perhaps I nearly died, or stopped breathing at the very least… perhaps.

Vaccines debilitate many and thus the quality of their lives, but that’s ok right?

My question still stands… why aren’t they made safer?

And so my question still stands… why aren’t they made safer?

A classic oops moment was when the German government was given one type of vaccine for the special people (politicians etc.) and one for the regular citizens. The special people got one that all the crap that supposed conspiracy theorists complain about were removed. It was so embarrassing they recalled the special vaccines, but that begs the question of why important people got a vaccine that lacked things like thimersol and other adjuvants that supposedly make the vaccines better. If they made them better than you damn well know the special rich powerful people would have gotten them, but they were not going to.

Lie big and people can’t believe you are lying.

Lol… that’s so bait, they might as well just have come clean and told the truth… after that fact! :laughing:

The majority of the population here are not in support of being vaccinated… many, in the political SM-groups and circles I’m in, are complaining of developing autoimmune issues from having had jabs in the past… looks like I’m not the only one then, but am one of many.