He is just earthly and human. Or so it is said by his worshippers.
I wonder what the differences are between
The Devil
Satan
Lucifer
I have my ideas but they are extremely far from certain.
NT and Miltonic mythology has it that Satan, the star of Light, confronted God and was evicted from Heaven because of pride. In the story of Jesus’ temptations, Satan offered Jesus the world if Jesus would worship him. So how could he offer the world if he did not own it?
The Wiccan and Satanic idea of the world is that it is our true state of affairs, not a fallen state as the NT would suggest. For them Satan is the savior of all that is physical. The idea that the world is in a fallen state and is defiled has caused many to forsake this world in favor of some utopian afterlife.
In “Paradise Lost” (Milton) Satan comes across as a tragic hero.
I know that a lot of my posts are trolling but this one isn’t. I spoke with some demons last night and they were serious. They explained to me why they torture people. It is just their natural inertia. If God gave them some incentive not to, they wouldn’t. They are doomed, so what have they got to lose? This is my petition to God to give the demons some incentive to be good. We dont have a plan yet, God seems to be an all powerful malevolent entity who wants the demons to be bad. Ideas are welcome.
On a side note, the female form is almost absolute. It is the form in which all forms are measured. Dogs and horses view Earth females beautiful. Earth females are the specie which most resembles the Angel. And the most beautiful angel was Satan. Which means, when you lust after a beautiful girl, that you are literally lusting after the face of Satan.
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Makes a lot of sense Trix. But I think there is no creator God and this is why God does not create incentive. It would be up to humans then to create incentive for demons to do good – whatever that may mean. But come to think of it, this is what occultists do. They employ demonic forces in directions they deem good.
I really like that idea of Satan as female beauty.
Ierrelus - Satan as the state of affairs, I do understand that concept and recognize it from Satanists. But it seems to me there is a great magnetism involved that resonates more with Trixies idea. As in “beauty is evil”. I think this corresponds with the religious condemnation and veiling of female beauty.
Satan would then be good in the aesthetic sense but very unfair, and thus cause war among humans. The war over Helen would be a Satanic war.
On the other hand I must put some trust in those that feel they know him and consider him a friend.
Maybe Satan is also ‘inequality’? That is after all the state of affairs.
There is no incentive for the demons to obey. Most occultists have no actual intent or power to save the demons from doom.
It is the other way around. Females are Satan beauty.
Beauty is not evil. But it can lead to excessive pride and superiority complex, ie. the fall of Satan from heaven, and female conceit, aka feminism.
He represents the ideal, perfection, but overcoming of Nature. God represents Nature, which is inherently perfect according to itself.
Great, now we have two diametrically opposed views. Ierrelus of Satan as status quo and god as drive to supersede it, and yours as the reverse.
This brings me back to not understanding the first fuck about it.
“I don’t think Hitler was such a bad guy, really.”
-Adolph Hitler.
In the absence of church tradition, you really can’t be certain at all. The Bible is understandably vague about demonology and such. About the best you can get out of it is that there are spiritual forces that are the enemy of God’s plan for mankind. As far as I can tell, anything beyond that is just people making stuff up. That’s why you’re always going to get such conflicting opinions about this. The afterlife is really very similar. From an Orthodox perspective, you can fit what has actually been revealed about the afterlife on a single side of an index card if you write small. Compare that to how much is said.
Maybe it’s up to us to set an example. How can we expect God to give the demons a break while we continue to demonise them, so to speak. We frown on discrimination based on gender, race, sexuality, religion etc. but we seem to think that it’s perfectly alright to condemn someone just for being evil.
I admit I was assuming that ‘demons’ per definition represent ‘doom’. One would then have to save them from their own nature, which might mean to kill them. But your approach seems at the least more noble. How did you contact the demons? I understand if you do not want to reveal too much about such a thing , as I will not reveal my own rituals. They seem to lose some of their potency when I do. Still Id like some information about the potential good in their nature. Apparently they were harmles or decent enough to talk to you and leave you in peace.
This ambiguity that seems to be inherent is pretty damn frustrating. The Greek and German gods dont have that issue.
Uccisore - It kind of bothers me that the Christian God has ‘plan’ for mankind. Like Alla after him. What if I dont like that plan? And what if Alla has a different plan from the Christian God? He probably does, their respective followers have been ironknuckling one another ever since the most recent one revealed himself.
One thing I already like about Satan is that he doesnt seem to have a plan. Or maybe he does but I dont know it. Maybe he hides plans? That would be wise. Maybe he hides that he has a plan. It may be anything. In any case, it definitely appears that the Christian Gods plan involves a lot of death and mayhem, which also goes for Alla s plan. Maybe they have planned for one another under the mefaplan of causing carnage? it is clear that bloody torture is part of the Christian Gods plan because of how his religion took off. Satan would have to do his best to top that in what we would normally call evil.
So what is revealed about the afterlife? I mean, the Christian afterlife? I notice I am remarkably ignorant of this section of the topic religion. I have always avoided these things in favor of science and Greek and other pagan religions. Of course I am aware that Alla s plan involves 72 virgins for each Jihadi. I wonder how this works logistically and if the virgins are women that are sent to hell. Or if Alla creates them specifically for each Jihadi.
Also, as one dutch comedian astutely remarked, it would be troublesome if they remained virgins (since everything in heaven is supposed to be eternal) or if after every lay their fleece would grow back. It wouldnt provide the best sex, but it would definitely make sense as a punishment for these women. But this is a side issue.
Demons come to you when you are feeling Holy, because they can torment you easier that way. I am on their level that is why me and them can talk like this. They have been around for a while, they are rational beings, they just dont feel like being rational around some humans, and I don’t blame them, alot of people aren’t worth opening up to.
A cheap trick to becoming Holy is to get yourself in a situation where your body is damaged.
My demons are hell bent on destroying what’s left of my mind.
The demons in my life are people, human beings, who make it their life’s mission to make me feel excluded and miserable.
Aint that the truth!
I call that Chironic if I understand what you mean. “Spirit is life that cuts into life” says Zarathustra.
I recognize this from my early drug days. They damn near succeeded. A lot of people around me then went insane and dead.
By surviving I have grown very strong and my mind is able to take dangerous paths now…
I saw in another thread Odin being compared to Mithras. Odin is Odin. He is the god who gave us Runes. Did Mithras give runes? I dont think so.
Satan
The Devil
Lucifer
Different names referring to the same entity, energy, concept - whatever you want to call it.
Satan is certainly evil, evil to the sheep.
Satan, also being represented as a snake, can be both sinister and benevolent, just like snake venom
can be used to kill you or heal you.
I once was in a hospital next to a guy with a cockroach in his ear.
Etymologically Satan means “to accuse” or the adversary. Lucifer means “light bearer”. So how could Lucifer be the bearer of light and the accuser/adversary?
you bring light on the accused. Duh
Not always. Duh!