Why does he have to heal those deaths? Why can’t he just extend other lives? If you really want revenge, someone should just banish him and tell you they killed him. And he can then be a nice person from a safe distance.
I don’t think that Imp is being entirely serious…
Well… if I responded to it like he was joking it would take less time. And I’m at school killing time (should I be sent to prison?).
No problem, I’m just as amused by your overtly taking Imp seriously as I am by the absurdity of his arguments…
Well then lets all laugh with amusement and wait for someone to say something serious.
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Hello F(r)iends,
First of all, the guy “co-founded” the Crips. The Crips is one of the largest street gangs in the nation and has caused far more harm than can ever be atoned for… The Crips and the Bloods still murder each other and this bullshit about peace between the groups is utterly ridiculous. The Crips also kill other Crips depending on the neighborhood and the time of the day. The Crips are not an organization with a President, they do not have a central leadership—there are literally thousands of small to mid-sized groups within The Crips that decide for themselves who they want to kill and what not… The idea that Tookie can influence this entire group is blatantly a political move made to prevent his execution. Fair enough, but certainly not worth clemency.
The notion that Tookie can do more better than good is stupid as he has already done far more harm than most of us could imagine…
Give him death.
-Thirst
no, you get exactly what you gave. that is karma. that is equality. that is justice.
you get exactly what you give. you kill someone, some one kills you. that is equal, that is justice.
that isn’t his job. that isn’t his responsibility.
those are the ones he did.
that isn’t his job and it isn’t his responsibility
banishment is fine. either the center of the desert or the middle of anwr, no less than 500 miles away from other people… he can die of thirst in a period of a few days… inhumane? tell that to the 4 he butchered.
yes, I am…
kill the fucker.
-Imp
Tookie doesn’t deserve clemancy and this is coming from someone who is against the death penalty.
You see, the man will not admit he is guilty. You can’t tell me that you actually believe the man who started the Crips gang never murdered anyone.
If he had admitted his guilt I probably would have a different feeling about this. However, he hasn’t and the time has now passed for him to do so.
I’m against the death penalty (mostly), but he deserves whatever the fullest punishment of the law is. What, did he make amends and stop being an asshole after he rotted in jail for a while? I’m sure his Maker will take that into consideration, but there’s no reason for the law to. If you don’t believe in a Maker that judges folks, then no, I don’t suppose there is a point to him atoning and trying to do right in prison. But that’s not my problem to work out.
I like how you avoided the part about Gary Ridgeway killing whores, and then having his necrotic way with them. The fear of the death penalty OBVIOUSLY works.
and killing him will? I’m all for life in prison without parole for guys like tookie and ridgeway. BUT, we should wake up and smell the chemical concoction we’re pumping into people’s veins… clearly this isn’t working. Look over at Saudi Arabia, they’ll cut your hands off for stealing, does that stop people from stealing?
Killing Tookie isn’t going to give those four people a voice.
California is WAY WAY more liberal than washington. The last election for president and governor was won by the liberals by a literal nose hair. We still have a death penalty, but it’s doubtful it will every be used anymore because of the precedent set by Ridgeway.
a couple more questions for ya:
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Will killing Tookie atone for his crimes?
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will killing Tookie stop the gang violence or increase it?
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will killing Tookie act as a way to control future murders?
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will killing Tookie bring back the voices of the dead?
It all comes down to what you believe. My guess is, he’s either said it so much he believes it (which I’m sure he killed more than four people) or he has a mental illness and doesn’t remember things correctly.
Hello F(r)iends,
Do you know why the death sentence is not a deterrant? Because it takes decades to actually go through with an execution… Because DURING those decades you can change or pretend to change and speak about finding god or some such nonsense and then you start to preach about peace and a bunch of soft-hearted liberals start to politicize about how nice the guy is… That’s why the death sentence is failing to adequately deliver its message.
“1) Will killing Tookie atone for his crimes?”
Yes.
“2) will killing Tookie stop the gang violence or increase it?”
Stop? No. Decrease or increase? Sure. 
“3) will killing Tookie act as a way to control future murders?”
Yes.
“4) will killing Tookie bring back the voices of the dead?”
Absolutely. The jury and the judge spoke for the murdered victims.
That’s the most effective voice that they can have and it is the voice that the LAW has given to those who are unable to speak for themselves.
-Thirst
Try plugging the word “incarcerating” in place of “killing.” Incarceration isn’t really much a deterrant either, apparently- far more people get jail time than death, and look at the incredible amount of rapes, homicides, robberies, etc that we have. So why bother even locking people up, then?
I agree that the death penalty isn’t much of a deterrant when it takes decades to carry out. Most of those guys can’t wrap their minds around next year, much less next decade.
thirst4debate?
well not if he never admits he did wrong…
I think if anything it’ll cause an increase in gang violence.
come on… if that were the case, Tookie would’ve felt the fear of death controlling his actions.
and what if one or all four of those people were pacifists who don’t agree with the death penalty?
The fact is the death penalty doesn’t work, people still kill…
Like all the problems in our society though we try fixing them from the back and not from the source.
The problem is that people who kill don’t value life (even their own.)
If you have someone who doesn’t value life, it doesn’t matter what the punishment is, they’ll still kill.
So (precluding your question thirst), how to fix the problem?
Treat the actual problem (which is either neuroligical or genetic) not treat the effect of the problem. One quick way to do that would be to throw the non-criminals out of prisons by legalizing drugs.
Thirst
I don’t think you having an irrational fear has anything to do with what penalty convicted criminals should receive. Furthermore, you are taking his case personally when you have absolutely no connection to anything within the case. Doing thiis seems to be another manifestation of your irrational fear, just like “dropping to the floor” is. If this man is an asshole peice of trash why would you invest yourself in him enough to care whether he spends life in jail or recieves death by leathal injection?
Imp.
When did we start defining justice as an eye for an eye? Surely you don’t think this “deserve” nosense is anything but nonsensical rhetoric.
“equality” is a bitch…
-Imp
this is the message we’re sending:
all life is important and we’re going to kill you to drive that point home.
impenitent,
then let’s act [b]just like him[/b] and kill all those who kill others.
God damn, if that doesn’t solve the problem we’ll just do a pre-emptive strike.
I just heard that when he killed this store owner he made fun of the guy as he died. I think I mentioned that the death penalty is usually for the perverted, and that’s a good example.
I’m still not for it but boy can I understand it.
Hello F(r)iends,
Wrong. There is a connection. I grew up around the Crips… I witnessed some of my friends murdered at the hands of the Crips. My friend’s little boy was killed in the crossfire of gang violence (non-Crips). I have been shot at by the Crips, the Bloods, and various other Hispanic street gangs…
Of course I take it personally. My fear is perfectly rational.
I invest myself in this man’s future because I think it is just and will serve a purpose in the areas that need this message. There’s nothing irrational about it.
-Thirst
Hello F(r)iends,
Scythekain:
My explanation as to why the death penalty is not delivering its message answers and justifies why I think “Yes” was the correct answer to questions #3… for the record, it is below (in green):
Do you know why the death sentence is not a deterrant? Because it takes decades to actually go through with an execution… Because DURING those decades you can change or pretend to change and speak about finding god or some such nonsense and then you start to preach about peace and a bunch of soft-hearted liberals start to politicize about how nice the guy is… That’s why the death sentence is failing to adequately deliver its message.
Thanks for making my argument for me. 
No matter the punishment, killers will kill… Why have this type around?
The answer on how to fix the problem is to remove it… remove the cancer. No offense Scythekain, but I hate it when the left always finds a way of blaming society’s ills on a genetic level… It’s not unnatural, it’s genetic. It’s not murderous, it’s genetic.
-Thirst