SHOULD there be any difference?

Sex has two definitions: Intercourse and the differences between male and female in terms of physiological biological function and appearance.

Gender is about the psychological / cultural differences between the sexes.

Yes, of course. That was my point.

I’ve always thought gender was a better word than sex, but then we need a new word either way to talk about the psychological and social aspects of gender. It could just take the "ial of the end of social and make it “genderial” aspects of the population. I think that’s a good word… as king of nothing, I decree this =)

We do not need any other word for sex than “sex”. “Gender” is a word of rhetoric, of political strategy, of control.

Gender is more basic and pre determinative then sex. it has more connection to identity. gender is more infra and interplay chic, as it involves the psyche as a whole. One could have genitalia of either sexes, yet have differing, or the same psychic state.(gender)

Male, guy, man, boy, woman, female, lady, girl etc.etc.
Dog, pooch, mutt, canine,
Feline, cat, kitty,
And on and on.
Asked on an application : sex . Answer: Hell yea but, only if you are my type.
Type??? What is your preference? What do you like? Someone identical to you?

Get over it, forget about it.
Want sex? What sex are you?
Are you cold? Do you have a cold?
I like nuts, I am nuts, those bolts need nuts.
Nit picking, nitwit.
Cool, hot
Get it? Got it? Fine.
When sex or gender is used it is about age of user, regional, casual / formal, and maybe education / upbringing. Don’t over read.

The people do not have any problem with it - the problem is merely that “gender” is a word of rhetoric, of political strategy, of control, and nothing else.

Ok so if you use gender instead of sex in front of your grandma, you are trying to control her politically.

The whole point of the earlier discussion here was that the use of the word sex obfuscates these issues and serves propaganda. You didn’t address that discussion directly when moving in this direction… we kinda dropped the thread from there because we all agreed with each other.

Let me put this a different way, and which we all saw earlier in the thread… you take perhaps the most charged word in the human species: intercourse (sex) and also use it as a definition for the physical differences between males and females (or hermaphrodites). This completely obscures meaningful sociological discussion on the subliminal level and obfuscates it for the general population. It’s about trying to control us from getting closer together on issues of human sexuality and gender. So I say we just use the word gender for the physical differences, and we use genderial for the psychological difference (of or about gender)… it’s not perfect, but people can get used to it. We could just say psycho-gender to make it more articulate, but it’s not as nice a term.

I mean that we need merely one word for it. What counts the most in this case are the biological facts, because biology is the begin and end of life. If a male wants to be a female, then he can go to a surgeon who changes his male sexual organs into female sexual organs; if a female wants to be a male, then she can go to a surgeon who changes her sexual organs into male sexual organs . If a male wants to behave like a female, then he can do it and is called a “gay”; if a female wants to behave like a male, then she can do it and is called a “lesbian”. So there is no problem at all.

Or are you of the opinion that we should worship them?

Which of the fwo words was the first one in the English language: “sex” or “gender”? … nglish/sex … ish/gender

There you go and I found it informative.

So one word is used in a biological (especially: physiological) sense, the other word is used in a psychological/sociological (especially: political) nonsense.

That’s just what I was thinking.

Again: there is no problem at all. Politicians and media folks create a problem in order to manage this problem, thus to control the people according to the slogan “divide and rule” (“divide and conquer”).

Actually, my take is that obfuscating the differences in gender cause more problems than pointing them out.

Oh please, then we would also have to not differentiate between left and right, up and down, etc. Gender has been in use since the 14th century. And if it is being used to control, they are certainly doing a piss poor job of it. Because according to you the people do not have a problem with it. So your control does not exist.

Obfuscating differences is also a huge problem, but in the case we are talking aboout the “problems” are invented, produced, created in order to manage them, and “to manage them” means “to control people”.

At first it is said that there are many problems because of diffenrences, then it is said there should be no difference and therefore i.e. “gender mainstreaming” must be established.

The differnce between “sex” and “gender” is not comparable with differences like “left” and “right”, “up” and “down”, and other opposite relationships, because there is no opposite relationship, and there is no difference but the difference between biology/physiology and politcs/media.

The meaning has been another one than today. All Englsih speakers have used the word “gender” in a different sense than it should be used according to the current politicians and media folks. Since politicians and media folks dictate the “gender mainstreaming” the English speakers have to - and most of them do (!) - use the word “gender” in a different sense than before.

So it’s not me who wants to steal your word “gender”, but it’s the rulership that has already stolen it, at least it original meaning.

I think you have not read my posts. … - Actually the people have no problem with it, then they are told (by politics/media) to have a problem with it, then they believe that they have a problem with it, and then they have a probelm with it. The control exists. And it exists very well. And the control is the main problem. So now the people have two problems more than before: (1) the persuaded problem and (2) the problem as an added kind of control. Thus they are much more controlled than before.

If you can resolve gender differences, you can resolve wealth disparity and war and suicide and disease cure innovation and energy innovation… the goal of dispersing is money and sexual hoarding.

One can use it in both ways. And we experience the one that is very much easier for the rulers to manage in order to become richer, more powerful.

And what the three of us agreed upon in this thread is that using the highly charged word that means intercourse as the word that also means differences between male and female and hermaphrodite anatomy disperses and causes these problems. It’s not helping matters and it breeds ignorance of the most important subject to address these issues head on.

That’s a convenient way of dodging just about everything i said.

Nature as a whole doesn’t think. Evolution has no purpose, it simply happens.

Wrong about what? What is nature’s message such that anyone could meaningfully say that it is wrong about anything?