smoking pot on thought

personally i have experimented with recreational marijuana use. i wont get into details but i have gained quite an understanding of what smoking pot actually does to you,

firstly, smoking pot does not make you see crazy colors or flying purple elephants and it does not turn you into a rapist or morally corrupt person.

the first time you smoke pot 1 of 2 things happen. oddly either you feel absolutely nothing (the result of what i am not sure) or you get in a state of abnormal perception. you do not hallucinate but yes you may experience delusional stimuli (the floor rising as if you are dizzy or lights being bright). the first time is always the most intense (if it works the first time) and the first time you smoke it, and really the next 10 times or so have generally no effect on your demeanor once the effects wear off over night. most people continue smoking pot into addiction initially because they are “chasing the dragon” (the “good” intense experience of the first time) but they remain addicted because of marijuanas latent effects.

the recreational smokers state of mind is not one which even cares about being rational. they are simply having a good time.

to a heavy stoner (excuse my terminology)(a stoner is someone who smokes pot daily) , the desire to smoke weed can and always will be described as the desire to have a good time, but the difference of a stoner and someone who has just initially started smoking, is that the stoner requires pot to have a good time and not just to “enhance” it.

once you reach a state where you require anything for anything it is known as a dependency.

once Dependant on pot, thought while not under its influence becomes belittled in a sense; the stoner is always worried about how they will get the next supply of weed, as it is necessary to happiness. happiness can be defined as the purpose of ones life and in that sense the sober stoners life becomes sad portrayal of addiction. they think sharply and rationally like any non addict, but they are pestered with a constant annoyance or edgyness resulting from withdraw.

but what i am now interested in is what actual effects smoking marijuana has on direct thought. from personal experience pot is to thought as cold is to matter.

once you have smoked pot and you are experiencing the full effects, thinking things like 1+1 or remembering the date of a war become increasingly difficult. things you would normally use top-down processing all of a sudden can become confusing. memories become harder to access along with the ability to create new ones.

not only is your memory attacked, but your skills of reason are greatly hindered whilst under the influence. making rational inferences is something of a mystery to a stoner. when asked whats 1+1 he uses a calculator, and when asked why alligators are so aggressive, he says something like “because they’re angry”.

but it is not as if they become stupid, just slower. when i was high during a school test, (yes i would like to slap myself too) surprisingly i did just as well as when i was not high, it just took me 3 times as long to finish and i had to apply genuine effort in working my own thought process.

i can describe it like this

question 42: if some pigs are pears, and all pears are pomegranates, then are all pomegranates pigs?

normally (not high) when i read the question my brain creates images to represent the concept of some pigs being pears, and all pears being pomegranates and by the completion of reading the question the answer is then obvious to without any general effort applied

but when i was under the influence this is what happend: are all pigs pomegranates? tik tok tik tok tik tok… ummm what?.. ok some pigs are pears… ok some pigs are pears, and all pears are pomegranates… ok soo that meanssssssssssssss… hmmmm…

then with multiple repetitions of that, once i could finally grasp the concepts, mostly through familiarization, could i with dismal assurance, pass judgment on the answer (which was in both trials NO (the correct answer) though they were different questions)

smoking pot clouds and hinders the ability to think rationally about what you have to do for the day or that waffles go in the freezer and maple syrup goes in the cupboard, and not the other way around. im not exactly sure as of what this is a result but is there any psychologist out there that can shed some light on my experiences?

One time, I ordered two pizzas: the first was half pineapple, half pepperoni and the second was half pineapple and half pepperoni. Best god damn pizza I had in my life.

But seriously… no, I think I’ll leave it at that.

just like when i was fussing over why waffles wouldnt fit properly in the cupboard. the only reason i realised it was when i went to look for the waffles the next time, they wern’t in the freezer :laughing:

This nonsense about pot is nonsense, when you’re first stoned reading a book might be hard or impossible but if you’re a stoner and always need weed because of pain, if you smoke a normal amount theres no decline in cognitive functioning past subtle cues under intense in tellectual abstract activity but that goes away after stopping for awhile.

some dope effects are permenent but the amount of dope you smoke to achieve this is beyond what anyone does except a small percentage, theres permenent effects at smoking for years at somthing like 55-70joints PER week. That IS INSANE. that brain changes are probably from lack of oxygen or smoke in halation and not even the substance.

That being said some people are mentally lazy and getting stoned makes them even lazier, after a long time of no mental exercise a scape-goat: the marijuana.

Well the science isn’t there, and I know plenty of stoners who are in university in complicated math/science programs, theres carl sagan too.

correlation does not imply causation, theres no evidence weed causes such degregation.


Even when really fucked up on dope people perform some amazing intellectual feats as a result of rationality/logic applied in a creative way. If you have a problem understanding a concept in cellbiology or molecular genetics, light up and try reading the few pages again, works for a lot of people in university.

…Weird. When I used pot, I just got tired and thirsty, and found “Scarred” to be funny as hell.

i didnt say anything about permanent effects. and i myself am in university (very complicated stuff i might add) and have during that time smoked weed.

the effects i was describing are the effects WHILE stoned. and yes as a former stoner i realise that weed becomes a necessity out of pain caused by boredom or physical withdraw.

how often do your friends get stoned and then go write an exam? or get stoned an go to class for that matter?

saying that there is no decline in cognitive abilities in a stoner is just foolish. once i quit i noticed a phenominal change in my abilities.

clearly you have either never smoked weed heavily or are currently smoking it heavily and are in denial about its effects on yourself.

what i was looking for are psychological possibly even biological insights into the subject. not foolish opinions.

creativity is arguably the result of chance. since thought becomes more abstract when on dope, there is greater chance of creating an abstract (creative) connection. the science is there im afraid…

magic mushroms are what make crap funny for me. though i do not reccomend doing them something so simple as a sound effect from a video game “you must construct additional pylons” becomes the most detailed and absurdly hilarious thing you have ever herd.

pot is more of a state of mind sort of high. heres an example.

back in my tom cat years me and my friends were all sitting in my room on my fouton, stoned out of our trees.

we sat there for a very long time and noone said a single word. there was a green light bulb alluminating my room and we were all staring blankly at our own various areas of interest in my room.

one of the friends that with us happens to be one fo those book smarts only types. he makes rationalisations and classifications for anything. it was almost as if he was born without a personality. for the greater half of his youth he remained like a shadow to one of my other friends. he would follow him around at lunch and order what he orderd; he had no prefrence. in any case he is just one of those insanley grounded thinkers, the kind of person that dosent stop to ask any question besides what should i do next.

anyway, there we were, sitting in my room all with zombie faces. then out of nowhere after over half an hour of silence he says

“but what happened to my other environment?”

somehow i knew why he was asking that question. i knew from knowing him as a person that he had been mentally classifying everything in what was probably a very complicated scenario involving him attaching conccepts like environment to the activities of his own life

i instantly replied (excuse my language btw) “dude you are fucking stupid, i can’t read your damn mind”

this is one of the strange examples about how your mind can be enhanced and hindered at the same time. though i was myself engulfed in trivial thought, i could instantly make a connection so abstract that i doubt i could have done it if i were not on dope. none of my other friends knew what either of us were talking about but the grounded thinker friend replied,

“oh… right.”

this kind of idiot savant stuff interests me, though i know nothing about it.

I love watching that high! It’s so funny.

Playin Starcraft while shrooming? Crazy…

I’m yet to try shrooms, but I’ve smoked salvia.

Made weed brownies last night usin about an ounce of weed. I ate probably 5 grams worth and didn’t get much of a high at all. My tolerance for weed is unbelievably high. :cry:

haha. u actually probably just didnt make them properly. you have to bake them for a certain time at a certain temperature. lol but thats beside the point, ive given it up for now.

and i dont reccomend shrooms. i know a guy who passed out as a result of them and landed on his face. he is 300 pounds and very top heavy. (his face turned into a scab)

salvia is strong, also i dont reccomend doing it.

Well, I didn’t make the brownies…my cousin did, and he has made them before and knows how. I got pretty high from them, but since I took in about 5 grams, I should’ve gotten much higher.

I want to take shrooms or acid so very badly, but I am pretty sure I would lose my mind.

shrooms r atleast natural… lsd acid fries your brain. dont try it.

[size=200]DMT[/size]

End of story.
Forget shrooms.
Forget acid.
Dimethyltryptamine.

More powerful than either and they say its “naturally occurring” but its really just super close to serotonin.

I have no connections for getting DMT I don’t think.

I’m quite satisfied with weed so long as I have at least an eighth of some dank stuff. Also, gotta have the bong to get high enough.

Anyone know how to lower my tolerance for THC, without stopping the use of it? I hear drinkin a capful of bleach will clear ya right out, but I’m not so sure I want to drink bleach.

:laughing: as good a reason as any not to do them, haha!

I’ve never done hard drugs for the same reason - I’m so hyper and intense already: that hard-drugs would surely blow my mind, and it probably would never come back, and I’d miss it so… :cry:

How old are you? DO NOT DRINK BLEACH. That is one of the more ridiculous things I’ve heard on this board. Of course it won’t lower your tolerance. Only a break will. So either be prepared to smoke more, or stop smoking.

excellent definition of “stoner” and recreational user.believe it or not i debated this for 3 hours once during a sesh with a guy. we came to the conclusion we’re both stoners, although i’m sensible enough to cut down( because of strained finances, remember it’s over 30 USD a G where i live). at the moment i’m more of a recreational user(a few times a week at most) because too much creates an imbalance in my edgy nervous system and creates an undesirable psychological dependence.

smoking pot helped me do well in class on the most, for instance i aced a political philosophy exam last year and did better than expected in boring classes such as “political system of the EU” except in my last semester’s statistics class when i didn’t know anything from formulas to what which room the exam was going to take place because i didnt remember where it was and i fucked up and it probably made things worse as i caused a disruption during exam by swearing(quietly) in the middle of the exam( people started laughing and the professor said he’d take my paper away :stuck_out_tongue:)

best combo= spliff+beer+trance :smiley:

There isn’t a physical withdrawl to weed, theres mental withdrawls, the only physical withdrawl is if you are taking it for pain management and then don’t get it.

Depends on the weed, the person, the attitude, the moment. For a lot of people getting stoned is easier for a test because 1. Everytime you get stoned theres not a huge cognitive decline. 2. Some people deal easier with being stoned due to anxieties about exams/class etc.

What I’m saying is that marijuana doesn’t neccesarrily make you a poor exam writer, though IT CAN, i’m not saying its a good idea to go stoned to every/class or exam, just that being stoned for an exam won’t neccesarrily put your marks up that much or down that much if you have a good understanding of the material.

I’ve seen people writing exams while stoned and doing worse on the first exam that year not stoned, it can make you a better thinker in some ways in some circumstances.

Theres some small cognitive decline from smoking, say, smoking 4 times or 5 times a week a few gs overall, getting stoned for test or an exam isn’t a big deal, and plenty of people go to university classes toned for things like advanced math and etc.

God I love getting drunk and high…oh man…

I’ll be 18 in two weeks.

I wasn’t going to drink bleach, as I would probably spend the night throwing up. However, I know someone who drank a capful of bleack along with a bottle of water, and smoked the next day and got high like he did when he first started smoking.

Back when I used to get high, I used to read while stoned. Of course the next day I realized I did not read nearly as much as I thought I did. I realized I would take a few paragraphs and inside my head would go off with a different story. When I would speak to others when stoned it was like there was two of me. Almost like I was watching myself in stop action photography so I could analyze what I was doing and what they were doing. Made for some really wierd time gaps in conversations, I am very glad I had to stop smoking, getting stoned was too wierd for my tastes. So while my friends smoked, I drank.