so let me get this stright...

Defenders of the village idiot defend him because…
He certainly has not been successful in anything.

In foreign affairs matters, let us see how that is going,
North Korea is firing missiles, Iran is going nuclear,
Somalia is controlled by radical islamist, Iraq is still
a nightmare, and Afghanistan is getting worse.
There are more terrorist attacks killing more people world wide.
(I noted this several months ago) More allies are leaving
the so called collation in iraq and even England is making noise
about leaving.

Ok, at home, hows it going?
The real unemployment rate is above 7%.
(the official unemployment rate does not take into account
people who have given up and don’t actively look for a job)
The economy is clearly weak, (profits are up, but it hasn’t
translated into worker wage growth and in fact worker wages
have lost ground since 2001) and that is a very bad sign
for the economy. (economic growth is driven by consumers
and if they don’t have increased wages, they are unable to
push the economy stronger) The housing market is losing steam
nationwide and that will be bad for the economy. Welfare for the rich
(tax cuts) has created deficit that now totals over 8 trillion
(at 299 million citizens with each American citizens debt being
28,149.39. So how will you pay off your debt of over 28 thousand
dollars, cash or check or credit) not too mention the war
in Iraq and afghanistan is costing over 1 billion a month.

The war on your civil liberties goes on unabated,
(I can imagine the debate in the white house on which
part of the constitution can be destroyed today, those who deny
it just don’t get it)

So tell me, defenders of the village idiot,
show me 5 successful things the village idiot has done that
has helped america, just 5. Surely you can do that.
Name 5 things

Kropotkin

The true deficit is up around 14 actually.

14!

LMAO.

The states isn’t fucked because of Bush, it’s fucked because of misguided intelligence like Imp’s that buys into this short outlook bullshit. Despite how it may appear the people are still in power…

heh, not for long though.

  1. he has kept your ability to vent your spleen about the failed ideals of socialist democRATS intact.

  2. he has kept your ability to make money and keep it out of the hands of socialist democRATS intact.

  3. he has kept your ability to eat better than most people on the planet intact.

  4. he has kept your ability to have your mind poisoned by lies and propaganda of socialist leftist democRATS intact.

  5. he has let you take another breath.

complain louder.

it is comical how you regurgitate dnc talking points as if they are gospel.

-Imp

Peter Kropotkin:Defenders of the village idiot defend him because…
He certainly has not been successful in anything.

IMP: :smiley: keep telling yourself that

K: You didn’t deny my basic contention that the village
idiot has done anything successful in his term. Nada.

K: In foreign affairs matters, let us see how that is going,
North Korea is firing missiles, Iran is going nuclear,
Somalia is controlled by radical islamist, Iraq is still
a nightmare, and Afghanistan is getting worse.

IMP: doom and gloom, doom and gloom, the sky is falling. "

K: You can’t deny, so you claim aI am doom and gloom, but
you didn’t deny a thing I said.

K: There are more terrorist attacks killing more people world wide.
(I noted this several months ago)

IMP: proof?"

K: washingtonpost.com/wp-dny/co … 2006/04/28
AR200604202181_pf.html

Sat, april 29, 2006 washingtonpost.com headline
Terrorist attacks rose sharply in 2005, state dept says.

K: More allies are leaving
the so called collation in iraq and even England is making noise
about leaving.

IMP: proof?"

K: abcnews.go.com/International … id=1445853

K: Ok, at home, hows it going?
The real unemployment rate is above 7%.
(the official unemployment rate does not take into account
people who have given up and don’t actively look for a job)

K: "proof? actual statistics? not some made up shit by the dnc, but actual numbers… "

K: If you knew anything about unemployment numbers, they
are really the bottom base line of any report and doesn’t
include those who have stopped looking, that is the secret about
unemployment numbers you never hear, they don’t include those
who have stopped looking.

moneycentral.msn.com/content/P146055.asp

thinkprogess.org/2006/01/06/low-wages-standards

K:The economy is clearly weak, (profits are up, but it hasn’t
translated into worker wage growth and in fact worker wages
have lost ground since 2001) and that is a very bad sign
for the economy. (economic growth is driven by consumers
and if they don’t have increased wages, they are unable to
push the economy stronger)

IMP: democRAT lies and distortions"

K: simple understanding of economics is not lies
and distortions. Take a economics class someday and you’ll see.

K:The housing market is losing steam
nationwide and that will be bad for the economy. Welfare for the rich
(tax cuts) has created deficit that now totals over 8 trillion
(at 299 million citizens with each American citizens debt being
28,149.39. So how will you pay off your debt of over 28 thousand
dollars, cash or check or credit) not too mention the war
in Iraq and Afghanistan is costing over 1 billion a month.

IMP: no, government spending has created the deficit. destroy bureaucrats and kill liberal welfare programs of all kinds. want to balance the budget? KILL SOCIAL SECURITY "

K. and yet we had a surplus under Clinton. I wonder how
democrats had a surplus and GOPers have the largest
deficit in the history of the world. Under Clinton, we had over
22 million new jobs created, under the village idiot there was not
single new job created until jan 2005, more then 4 years after
the idiot stole his first election. It is clearly not about
social security, but about competence. The GOPers are clearly
too incompetent to run the government, and the proof is the
deficit." (not to mention Katrina, abramoff, duke cunningham,
poker and strippers parties in the Watergate building, the ten
billion missing in Iraq, the good old boy hiring practices in
the government instead of competence)

K: The war on your civil liberties goes on unabated,
(I can imagine the debate in the white house on which
part of the constitution can be destroyed today, those who deny
it just don’t get it)"

K: I told you. Simply wear a t-shirt critical of the village
idiot, anywhere within 5 miles of him speaking and you will
get arrested. Free speech is gone. I know why its so hard for you
to understand, but its the truth. Doubt me, try it.

K: So tell me, defenders of the village idiot,
show me 5 successful things the village idiot has done that
has helped america, just 5. Surely you can do that.
Name 5 things

IMP: 1. he has kept your ability to vent your spleen about the failed ideals of socialist democRATS intact.

K: not in “free speech zones”.

IMP: 2. he has kept your ability to make money and keep it out of the hands of socialist democRATS intact."

K: My wages and yours have fallen in the last 5 years.
And both our shares of the deficit has risen to dramatic levels.
So who cares if your taxes are down slightly, (which they aren’t)
if our share of the deficit is so high.

IMP: 3. he has kept your ability to eat better than most people on the planet intact.

K: He has done nothing more then every single president
since Hoover has done. And the share of Americans going into
poverty has risen since the village idiot stole the 2000 election.

  1. he has kept your ability to have your mind poisoned by lies and propaganda of socialist leftist democRATS intact.

K: research my boy, research. I don’t post here unless I have
done my research.

  1. he has let you take another breath.

K: Wow, that is a successful president. I must say, he belongs
on mount Rushmore for letting me breath. That is such
a high and mighty standard you allow your presidents to have.
Surely then, you must put Clinton on a plateau that is
unrivaled and unmatched.

IMP: it is comical how you regurgitate dnc talking points as if they are gospel.

K: I don’t actually ever look at the dnc web site.
I read the various blogs
(both left and right, gotta know the enemy and their talking points)
and I read a couple of newspapers a day, plus take in cnn and msnbc
when I have a chance.

Kropotkin

fine, you have you have your propaganda and talking points and refuse to see anything besides them just like any religious zealot. you have been spouting the same lies for years.

I have the actual facts of the matter.

See you in november.

finis.

-Imp

Impenitent: fine, you have you have your propaganda and talking points and refuse to see anything besides them just like any religious zealot. you have been spouting the same lies for years.
I have the actual facts of the matter.

K: you have yet to demonstrate any facts. I have.
Show me the facts.

IMP: See you in November. finis.

K: you seem to give up quicker then you used to.

Greg Palast writer of “armed madhouse” has
already said the GOPers will steal 2006 and 2008,
no matter what else happens. I believe him.
the recent California elections of district 50 proves hims
right, with voting booths that were illegal in the county
of San Diego, state of California, and the United States.
The same voting booths that gave the election to the
GOPers.

Thus showing we no longer have a democracy,
we no longer have a republic.

We now exist in a dictatorship. Recall Stalin, Lenin, Mao,
and later Hitler also rigged elections. The village idiot
stands with fine company, stealing elections.

Feel very proud. You support a dictatorship.

Kropotkin

steal? hardly… when you can’t win on the basis of your ideas, you have to accuse the other party of cheating. that should show you something.

-Imp

hi Peter
I have to say that most of your posts seem to be political rather than philosophical. Is there a reason for this?..this is not a criticism in any way just an observation.

oldphil:hi Peter
I have to say that most of your posts seem to be political rather than philosophical. Is there a reason for this?..this is not a criticism in any way just an observation."

K: I am a very political creature. I grew up in a political family,
my father was was a wannabe politician and was in fact
city councilman in Minneapolis when I was born,
and he had many, many political friends.
He was personal friends with Hubert humphrey long before
he became vice-president and friends with many other politicians
in Minnesota and Illinois. I have lived my whole life with politics.
Philosophy has only been my passion for 30 years since high school.

Kropotkin

Perhaps you should start your own website- perhaps “ilovepolitics.com”? :stuck_out_tongue:

Although corruption is “bipartisan”, the democRATS have the GOPers beat. They’ve got the Prince who’s proud of his title!

MORGANTOWN, W. Va., July 2, 2006 — Investigators are taking a close look at a Democratic congressman known as “The Prince of Pork” who is really bringing home the bacon to voters in his West Virginia district.

For instance, there is the arts and craft store in the remote town of Thomas, W. Va., part of the MountainMade Foundation, which relies far more on federal taxpayers than on sales. This year, the congressman in question, Rep. Alan Mollohan, D-W.Va., got the store $2.2 million.

“Everything in this gallery was made by an artist who lives in West Virginia,” said Kate McComas, the store manager, who said she is happy to contribute to Mollohan’s re-election.

“I contributed $1,000,” McComas said.

Critics Suspicious

Critics see a connection between campaign contributions and groups who benefited from federal funds. The Canaan Valley Institute received $71 million. The Alan B. Mollohan Innovation Center received $39 million. The Vandalia Heritage Foundation got $28 million. And $108 million went to the Institute for Scientific Research.

“It’s an endless loop of this funding of federal taxpayer dollars going out and campaign contribution dollars coming back,” said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense.

What makes Mollohan different is that the FBI is investigating him and the groups he enriched through taxpayer dollars. Those dollars provided lucrative contracts and high salaries for Mollohan’s supporters.

Investigators want to know whether, in return, those supporters helped Mollohan become a multimillionaire.

Mollohan is part-owner of $2 million worth of property on a North Carolina island. He also owns part of a luxury apartment building in Washington. A conservative research group says much of the new wealth was never declared on financial disclosure forms.

“There are criminal penalties under the federal False Statements Accountability Act if mistakes are willful, knowing and material, and in this case he hid millions of dollars worth of assets,” said Ken Boehm of the National Legal and Policy Center.

Mollohan says he inadvertently misstated some transactions, but insists he did nothing illegal. He takes pride in his nickname and is proud of bringing in $500 million over the past 10 years.

“I’m proud of the efforts we’ve undertaken for the first congressional district of West Virginia,” Mollohan said. “If being the ‘Prince of Pork’ merits that designation, then I’m proud of that. Yeah.”

abcnews.go.com/WNT/Politics/stor … SFeeds0312

And from all places, a lamestream media show!

=D>

As I’ve stated elsewhere, bipolarity is part of the human condition. History shows this. World-powers and empires have a peak, then they drop down and degenerate into crap.

“I love America” can only last for so-long… Then there will be no America.

Good point. Can we say the grass is always green on the other side of the fence.

We Americans have it so good we are stupid enough to complain about it!

Oh Peter??

Considering how you bash Bush, and have not been executed clearly demonstrates we do not live in a dictatorship. Talk about hyperbole.

Imp, Peter is correct regarding wages:
laborradio.org/node/3556

This is partly due to illegal immigration and outsourcing. We have to, again, become flexible regarding supply and demand. The demand for the wages of manufacturing are being outsourced. Cars are made by robots, but Japnese companies are hiring US citizens, building plants in both the USA and Canada to facilitate this. People, US citizens have to retrain and develop ways to compete. Our companies are doing this by hiring people with management abilities to realign the steamlining of the supply, which is now being created by manufacturing in the Third World.

It is a new world to be sure. Rural, cottage industries, to industrialization which destroyed the cottage industry, now it is service centered, and many want American know how in this area. The language of business is English.

Peter, I am a union member, but realize we must adapt to meet the future, we cannot stagnate and survive. Europe may stagnate, unless it realizes what is needed. This is what my students are told. A window washer’s starting wage in Las Vegas is $25,000 with benefits, not great benefits, but benefits with $500.00 deductable, a service.

Communism is dead. Socialism may be on the way out.

With regards,

aspacia :sunglasses:

Peter, I am often tempted to defend Mr Bush, but only when I read your wild-eyed hyperbolations.

But of his accomplishments, he, he…

Well, he…well, no.

But he…um…give me a minute.

Er, he…okay, not that.

See how easy that was?

Unions are a good thing, however some have become to greedy. Unions that demand too much will eventually lead to the laying off of many of the companies workers, or the company collapsing. Such problems riddle the American auto industry.

No Shit! Many were involved with the Mafia and threatened businesses and union members and their families if they did not toe the line. This is well documented.

Look around, many businesses have already left and have been bankrupted because of union demands. Look at the Santa Fe as well.

However, the businesses are, again, paying low wages and often provide unsafe working conditions overseas.

With regards,

aspacia :sunglasses:

Unions are as bad the the Corporations.

Corps want free labor to abuse as they see fit without regard.

Unions want a free paycheck and immunity from not doing their job.

Its only when they meet in the middle that has made things great!

I will say that generally… the Corps tend to win out…

After all the legal system is pro business and anti citizen. Thats proven 100% already.

Why is it when I point out how humans often behave, violently, greedily, etc., I am hit with ad homs. I mean, look at the the shit so many humans pull.

Now I am a xenophobe racist as I oppose illegal immigration. Face it all, illegals probably would not help you. Actually, many will deal drugs, steal or murder you for a few extra coins.

A poverty stricken person may be a very bad, violent person. A rich person may be a very bad violent person. These attributes know no barriers. Check the racism in the Latino community sometime. La Raza, Mecha, discrimination against Native Americans.

Why is being realistic regarding how many humans behave a bad way to be?

video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= … The+Secret
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For highspeed internet users…
This is an example of what more opressive governments are like. If it makes you sad just stop watching it.