Spooky Action, Flannel?

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Flannel, I am curious as to how you would explain this “spooky action?”

You are in the box and you believe that the speed of light is always c in the box. That NECESSARILIY means that if you emit a light from the center of the box that it will reach all the receivers in the box in the same amount of time, because they are all the same distance from the center of the box. Speed is distance over time, or m/s, and since you believe the speed of light in the box is c, and you know the distance from the center to the receivers is the same, you MUST believe it takes the same amount of time in the box for light to travel from the center to each receiver. In other words, in the box light MUST take .5 seconds to travel a distance of .5 light seconds, which is the speed of light, c.

You perform the experiment, and something very spooky occurs. You measure the time to the receivers, and you find out that the light hits the receivers at different times, even though you know for sure the distance is the same and light travels at one speed.

What is your explanation as to why it takes light different amounts of time to travel the same distance in the box? Is it God F’n with your experiment? Ghosts, perhaps? Bigfoot?

Maybe it’s just BAD THEORY on Einstein’s part that the speed of light in the box is the same in all directions?? What the hell is going on in the box with the speed of light from the center to the receivers?

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How precise are the measurements? Is the box internally a vacuum? Does that matter? Stupid questions?

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The measurements are exact. There is no difference in distance between the center and the z and x receivers. If you had a stick that fit perfectly between the center and the z receiver, it would fit exactly perfect between the center and the x receiver also. The two distances in the box are exactly the same.

The internal space of the box is simply space, the vacuum of space.

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Why you good at math & bad at lying? :stuck_out_tongue:

There is no perfect vacuum in nature. Nature has feelings, like abhorrence.

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So you are saying it is impossible for light to travel at 299,792,458 m/s?

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First of all I hate #s. Second of all the box is huge (the moon is one light second away)… and moving. Not dealing with a vacuum… one doesn’t exist (space is not a perfect vacuum). Hence curvature, lensing. Question: Did you invent the scenario, or has such a scenario actually happened? If not actual, this is a pointless exercise. In my personal opinion.

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Since you hate numbers then you have no business in this thread, or theoretical physics.

The defintion of the meter is clearly defined as light travel time in vacuum.

But putting numbers, vacuum, and theory aside for just a moment, how is it that you can say light will take the same time to travel from the center to the two different receivers?

Is it that you believe there is no such thing as a box in motion in space? Or put another way, do you think a box can change its position in space, or do you think the box can’t be in motion in space unless there is another box to relate to?

Can light travel in space and change position in space?

If you think the speed of light is the same from the center to the x receiver as it is from the center to the z receiver, then you think the light sphere will contact the receivers at the same time. So why in frame 2 in the pic is the light sphere contacting the z receiver but not the x receiver? Do you agree the radius of the light sphere is what is stated in the pic at t=.65 seconds, in frame 2? Maybe you think the sphere can have two different radius at the same time? Maybe Bigfoot did it?

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What is your explanation as to why it takes light different amounts of time to travel the same distance in the box? Is it God F’n with your experiment? Ghosts, perhaps? Bigfoot?

The box is accelerating.

Is this a real experiment that actually happened or is this just ideas you’re thinking about?

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The box is definitely not accelerating. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. The velocity of the box is definitely not changing. The box traveled at the same velocity from t=0 to t=.65 as it did from t=.65 to t=1.384930 seconds.

No matter which duration of time you choose the box travels the same distance per second. It is traveling at a constant velocity over the entire duration of time.

So no, you are incorrect. The radius of the light sphere proves it, along with the coordinates of the box. Everything is perfect and there is no acceleration.

Must be Bigfoot then, right?

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Is this a real experiment that actually happened or is this just ideas you’re thinking about?

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This is a map of distance and time according to space, light, and transmitter of light and receiver of light. There is nothing to prove experimentally. This is the very DEFINITIONS as they are defined.

This is the geometry of space and time!

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So you’re asking me to explain observations you haven’t observed.

Your pictures look like your frame of reference isn’t the box itself - you have the box moving compared to your frame of reference. Two frames of reference will see events differently, they will have a different perception of which events happened simultaneously. That’s what relativity of simultaneity is about.

So yes, perhaps you could observe the things in your thought experiment, if the box were moving very quickly compared to the reference frame. Idk I haven’t done the math, I don’t even know how to do the math.

Do you want to share what you think the right answer is?

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I am asking YOU how you explain the difference in time from center to z and center to x receivers. Got any explanation?

Again, you are IN THE BOX, you are not looking at the box from outside the box. You are IN THE BOX, and you have receivers set up to measure the time it takes for light to travel from the center of the box to the receivers in different directions IN THE BOX. You are timing light travel at known distances in the box. Those distances in the box are EXACTLY the same. Since the distances in the box are exactly the same then you believe the TIMES should be exactly the same. But they are not!

What is your explanation as to why the times are different in the box?

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My explanation is you just made the numbers up.

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I did not make anything up.

The meter is DEFINED as the distance light travels in vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second. Look it up!

The box is a frame of reference in the box. All clocks in the box tick as a single clock.

Light travels from the known center of the box, and it starts traveling at t=0. Light travels away from the center of the box over a duration of time. The light contacts the z receiver, and then a moment later contacts the x receiver.

Those are the FACTS! There is NOTHING made up, it is the very DEFINITION of distance and time, measured by light travel.

There is no way you can prove the times wrong, because that would be going against the very definitions as they are defined.

For instance, the radius of the light sphere at t=.65 seconds is 299,792,458 x .65 = 194,865,097.7 meters (rounded to 194,865,098 in the pic)
There is nothing to dispute, it is 65% of 1 second and 65% of 299,792,458 meters.

For you to disagree with that is to claim that the entire math system is wrong, that 65% of 299,792,458 isn’t 194,865,097.7. You see what a silly argument that is?

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I don’t see that it’s silly. You made up some pictures, put some numbers on them, and asked me to explain them.

Explain this: 34.7532795318.

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I’ll save you the trouble and explain it myself:

My mobile keyboard opened up and I clicked a bunch of numbers.

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So there is your answer for your thread on spooky stuff happening in QM.

The answer is, a bunch of hack physicists making up BS to fuel their religious beliefs.

My pic has everything laid out by definition and the numbers add up! The speed of light in the z direction is different than the speed of light in the x direction. So the speed of light in a single frame of reference is different, depending on which direction you measure it!

The ONLY exception is IF the box had no motion in space, but you have no way to measure that, because Einstein’s BS says the times are ALWAYS .5 seconds to the receivers, and the light sphere ALWAYS hit the receivers at the same time. I CLEARLY show how that is IMPOSSIBLE!

Save your BS about “spooky crap” because it is simply BAD THEORY!

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Thanks mate.

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If you’re saying the motion of the box accounts for the difference in time, what is spooky? Are you just joking about it being spooky?