just take a look at the stalingrad trilogy_ on u-tube…you will never be the same…
for the god people-----what would god say about stalingrad…
are you talking about the siege of stalingrad? The city submitted to a Atheistic dictatorship, and got itself clobbered by Nietzschean Atheists who in turn got clobbered by Marxist Atheists. They took Jesus out of the equation, and Jesus mostly focused on Ethics, so go figure, this shit is bound to happen when dickheaded outlooks clash without concern to the common man. God once drowned the world because people kept taking it in the ass in spite of him, so I don’t think he’ll get too worked up over people trying to live in absolute opposition to him killing one another off. It’s sorta like the Syria position today- the Shia who want to kill us are fighting the Sunni who want to kill me off. I was once on the receiving end of the fire, and now they want to shoot at one another. Do I feel sad about it? Yes. Do I want it to stop? Fuck yes. Do I see a element of poetic justice in this? I was getting shot at because we were trying to get the Sunni and the Shia to live together in peace, so yeah… despite the terror and brutality they imported to our area, it is a little ironic it’s consumed them since (thanks to guys like Moreno and SAITD in fighting the bad fight in stretching out and perpetuating these wars long after they would of otherwise ended).
It’s unfortunate the Nazis existed, but they had free will. They could of resisted. It’s unfortunate the Soviets existed, but they had free will. They even had plenty of buffer states between them. They wanted what came to be to come to be, they systematically antagonized one another, back stabbed one another, and mutilated humanity in their liberal statecraft. Remember, it’s only a few twists of a phrase that divides Stalin’s Marxism from the most free forms of Anarchism, or of National Socialism from more generic, modern socialism. They poured alot of insanity and hysteria into their outlooks, and reaped the only harvest that can grow from such outlooks. They were religions of death, and men died. And they collapsed. And Christianity survives, with a message even more relevant than before the wars. Do Unto Your Neighbors As You Would Have Done Unto You.
You reject this message, don’t be shocked by the consequences.
has anyone here actually watched the three stalingrad documentaries…the trilogy on u-tube…
no you havent…you have no idea about WW2…
Turtle,
I feel a bit sorry for you that the only person who has responded to this thread is CN, who is quite literally insane. But I haven’t seen the trilogy you mention, and you’ve not given me much reason to find time in my busy youtube schedule to watch it.
Sorry, turtle, I haven’t seen it–I’ve only read about the siege of Stalingrad which was apparently one of the bloodiest conflicts in the entire history of warfare.
What do you want to say about it?
young people need to know what that war was really like…they might then think twice about getting involved
in future wars…you need to know the very worst that happens to people once you get started in conflict…too much of what we see is glorified…
Wow… I did not imagine that there were still people unaware of this sort of thing. But the documentary is indeed worth watching, if only because it illustrates effectively the decision that decided the war to Germany’s disadvantage.
You can see the fatal mistake Hitler makes so clearly - “I can not tolerate the existence of a city that bears the name of my greatest adversary”. Completely irrational, childishly understandable.
That is all I needed to hear.
Beyond that, what someone reports concerning history is always very dubious.
But despite that, I can’t help but agree with CN, those who choose to take over the world, choose to be taken over.
And those who choose to kill off what isn’t them, are to be killed off by what isn’t them.
james–i am surprised that you will not look at it…
You could have no idea of the amount of propaganda that crosses my desk.
Usually within the first few seconds, I can guess the rest.
But in some cases, I need look no further than the title, “Elmer Fudd reports on the oppression of women.”
you are wrong on this one james…sometimes you dont get it…
And so everyone always believes.
…until they don’t.
what are you talking about…
I’ve always felt that war has been romanticized beyond belief. That’s why medals are given and how heroes are made. War is death, even for those who manage to survive. Nonetheless, I’ll watch the trilogy.
I watched the trilogy. I’ll answer it later on–it’s 3:30AM and I have to go to bed. 
good lizbethrose…i should add that my psychoanalyst was a soldier at stalingrad…he has some stories that are probably not propaganda…
And I should say that I’m an American who spent formative years (i.e., grew up) in post war Germany at a time when the German people were probably in denial–I don’t know. I do know I love my German friends–they are a part of me and did a lot to shape me. And I’ve been back since then.
I don’t understand the power Hitler had over the German people during the 1930s-40s–and he did have unbelievable power! He was worshiped as the only savior of German culture.
The question the Russian woman kept asking really can’t be answered–Why did you (Germans) attack our country?
Why did Germany attack Austria, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia?–and, later on, the Low Countries and France to the West and South and the Nordic states to the North. The ‘average’ soldier couldn’t answer that question.
Yet, to understand history and to prevent its repeating itself, shouldn’t the enigma of Hitler within his time be understood? Can it be understood so late after the fact?
Why did they follow Hitler, because he offered them hope, pride, work,glory a brighter future.
He turned a Failed monarchy turned decrepid Democracy, Into a powerful prosperous and industrious Totalitarian National Socialist state. He lead the charge to do what the democratically elected officals had been too weak to do.
When the first World war ended Germany never acknowledged this as a defeat, after all the enemy had not marched into Germany, the Soldiers had held the line yet after the war they were blamed soley for starting the war and forced to meet crippling demands of meekness and poverty. Their national pride and prosperity was shattered and along with the great depression this only worsened. Chaos ruled the streets and politcal paramilitaries would shoot at each other in the streets.
Some turned to the Marxist Ideologies which had been implicit in trying to end the war earlier and therefore in many German eyes, responsible for the defeatist sentiments of the war and it’s loss. And based on the demands of the International community as it were in which they were demanded to pay and keep their military weak many Germans did not see anything but villainy and exploitation from Internationalism.
So with the Failure of the Monarchy, the Liberal Democracies and the in born Disdain among many against communism it was only natural that the Other Revolutionary call, filled with many conservative sentiments but filled with the same vigor as any revolutionary movement, the National Socialist party was a natural fit.
To make a long story short after arrising to power though certain freedoms and priveleges were done away with and so called undesirables openly persecuted, the Restoration of German pride, Economy, Infastructure, Military and a Revolutionary call in favor of the Glory of the German people. Is it any wonder the people of Germany followed him?
And of course with the focus on the German people the cause for war was obvious, to secure Land for the Future generations of Germany in a Greater German Empire.