statments NO christian wants to hear

Let’s see, :evilfun:

  1. At death you cannot be aware of any dimensions whatsoever.

  2. Death is nothingness

  3. The definition of god is a ‘concept’ of god, not actually God

  4. The harder something is to fathom the greater that thing is - love, joy, happiness are all very easy to fathom… and thus all very low on a scale to ten.

hmmmm, any more?

Neutrality would be more accurate than a proofless negative.

“Death” is generally and always a form of change, from one mode to another, in which one system of ‘living’ control is totally replaced by another.

Ofcourse.
The actual creator of this world knew damn-well how to program a non-progressive world. It’s easy to control when it takes millions of years and basically never leaves or makes any big changes.

If some nice guy made the earth, he’d make a nice earth, but earth’s not nice. Also ya don’t have to be “all powerful” before ya can engineer a planet, star system or eco-system.

strangely, I wasn’t expecting an answer. :confused:

Dan makes a good point. Any believer of a certain thing too often emotionalizes his arguments; agreeing to make verbal sense (it is “logical”/“scientific”) but it’s their use of sophistry in painting neutrals into blacks when it does nothing for the argument but perhaps persuade other emotional people who seek a safe scapegoat (an obvious standard of negativity that, if they build strong enough walls for pretection, they will never succumb (relate) to. Some of the self proclaimed “Nihilists” here are hilarious.

I agree with Dan. This is an error of extending the use of the physical for predicting the future into worshipping it as you own kind of god. Nothingness? Because a physical thing ceases to exist?

As is every word we use.

But… I do agree that “Christians” (those that identify with the church, and their church’s views on Jesus, but doesn’t actually identify with, know, or actively use Christianity (as a philosophy not associated with a church (in which people come together and agree on what is said, a group that believes the same images coming from the Paster, priest, whatever. Here, this is the truth. How can this be a true spiritual experience? It may be nurturing to social needs, which provides more security to truly explore the world—with the presence that your every perception is you… a definition of self that surely conflicts with yours (but I ask you, once your brainstem breaks your connection to your body, isn’t it you who dreams beyond it?)

Dan makes a good point. Any believer of a certain thing too often emotionalizes his arguments; agreeing to make verbal sense (it is “logical”/“scientific”) but it’s their use of sophistry in painting neutrals into blacks when it does nothing for the argument but perhaps persuade other emotional people who seek a safe scapegoat (an obvious standard of negativity that, if they build strong enough walls for pretection, they will never succumb (relate) to. Some of the self proclaimed “Nihilists” here are hilarious.

I agree with Dan. This is an error of extending the use of the physical for predicting the future into worshipping it as you own kind of god. Nothingness? Because a physical thing ceases to exist?

As is every word we use.

But… I do agree that “Christians”

(those that identify with the church, and their church’s views on Jesus, but doesn’t actually identify with, know, or actively use Christianity (as a philosophy not associated with a church (in which people come together and agree on what is said, a group that believes the same images coming from the Paster, priest, whatever. Here, this is the truth. How can this be a true spiritual experience? It may be nurturing to social needs, which provides more security to truly explore the world—with the presence that your every perception is you… a definition of self that surely conflicts with yours (but I ask you, once your brainstem breaks your enslavement to your body, isn’t it you who dreams beyond it?)

would not like to read this.

How do you know?

How do you know?

Seems obvious to me - but it is a very important insight I think.

You think you fathom love, joy, and happiness? I know I don’t.