Ichthus77
August 21, 2025, 7:56pm
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RealUn:
Pain itself is not Evil. It is about how inflicting pain upon others, and why, is Evil. This is something Utilitarian (((Secularists))) have wrong about Morality; they don’t understand that Pain / Suffering are not “themselves” Evil, as if Evilness could be separated out of the feeling and endurance of Pain.
Sorry about the delayed reply here. I felt a duty to express this is a point of agreement, and here I am choosing to do so. I’m not 100% certain all secularists don’t understand this, though, but that is a side issue.
Related:
@futureone : “If there is no such thing as pain or suffering then there is no such thing as morality. Therefore, subjective pain and suffering is the foundation of all.”
Me: What about pleasure and joy? Isn’t it moral to seek after that for the other the way you would hope they would seek after that for you? Words like seek after and hope are consent words.
Still me: Even more dangerous, too, because with a why (pleasure and joy), you can endure any how (pain and suffering).
@Hudjefa “Is it go…
But I can’t go along with this:
Rather, it’s like this:
Jesus … recognizes our consents (essence) and acknowledges them in his thoughts, values, and behaviors, ultimately on the cross when he concretely switches perspectives with us, treating all others as self, and self as all others…despite our crap, good (consent respecting) or bad (consent violating).
And he continues to respect consenters’ (noun) consent/essence (predicate) if/when we do (or do not) consent (verb) to the meaning/essence of his demonstration.