@futureone: “If there is no such thing as pain or suffering then there is no such thing as morality. Therefore, subjective pain and suffering is the foundation of all.”
Me: What about pleasure and joy? Isn’t it moral to seek after that for the other the way you would hope they would seek after that for you? Words like seek after and hope are consent words.
Still me: Even more dangerous, too, because with a why (pleasure and joy), you can endure any how (pain and suffering).
@Hudjefa “Is it good because we want it or do we want it because it is good?”
Me: It’s good because we respect/honor each other‘s wants (which respect/honor each other’s wants), even if that means tempering our own.
Still me: The isness is the usness, the eachotherness, the Igotchuness.
Believe it or not, these both happened in the same thread:
Utilitarianism Mistakes Correlation for Cause
At this point, I also feel like linking to this funny dialogue between Bob and myself:
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