supporters of the coming dictatorship

Philosophy Forums Society, Government, and Economics
1

the village idiot, rove, chaney, are all trying to
turn this country into a one party dictatorship,
no different then Hitler, Stalin, mussolini, or Mao.
To those of you who liberal and democrat bash realize
that every time you say, “liberals are traitors” or “should be
shot”, you are helping them take another step into dictatorship.
As the rove-goebbels speech listed on another post
suggest, the very first step they took was demonize the
other party/parties. “Liberal are traitors” plays into this
demonetization quite nicely.

So let us say you get what you want, all liberals are shot
or sent to gitmo, dissent is stifled with the gun or prison,
you have achieved exactly what?

A dictatorship.

No different then Stalin or Hitler.
Is that the model you are really trying to emulate?
Stalin or Hitler? You keep proclaiming the U.S. is the greatest
country on earth, and yet you follow and would allow a dictatorship
of the meanest kind. You proclaim liberals as traitors, because
we have the gaul not to march in goosestep with the reigning party.
You say Stalin was evil because of the gulag, and yet you would
happily send liberals and democrats to that same gulag to …
what? You say you are defending the American ideal, but is that
ideal, the gulag and stifling dissent with death?
I fail to see how how walking down the path of dictatorship
is going to bring america back to its former glory. Was the former
glory a dictatorship? Or was it freedom of speech, the very
thing you want to kill or imprison liberals/ democrats for.

Explain to me, how creating a dictatorship by eliminating
dissent, killing or imprisoning liberals/democrats, return us
the ideals of the founding fathers? It seems to me if you want
to foster true American ideals, freedom, justice, the right to choose,
you would want to embrace those ideals. And how is sending
liberals to death or prison for free speech, a path
to embracing the ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of
religion, freedom to choice? I fail to see how the path
of freedom is through stifling dissent and tossing the
dissenters into prison. The path for a country is through
all having the same thoughts and all having the same speech,
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, all believe that. They tried to stifle dissent
with prison/death for those who had different thoughts.
Is your great American ideal following Hitler and Stalin?

So yes, death to those liberals and democrats, those
who won’t speak the party line. Death to those who oppose
the official party line. Death to those who actually take
the constitution seriously. Death to those who
won’t say, sieg heil, SEIG HEIL, SIEG HEIL, SIEG HEIL.
Have your deaths and imprisonments.

But remember this, The day will come when you no longer
speak the party line, when the party declares
your speech, heresy, and you march down the corridor
leading to death or prison. Remember those who you declared
as traitors, because of their defense of free speech and
freedom of choice and support of the constitution.
Have your defense of dictatorship. There will not
be a “I told you so” from me for I will be long dead.
Shot or kill in a place that won’t be named auschwitz or
Dachau, but in a nice sounding place name like camp freedom,
or camp snoopy.

Kropotkin

2

scream it louder

-Imp

3

Impenitent: scream it louder"

K: it is certainly not screaming I am doing.
My mood is one of quiet despair.
The chant “death to liberals”
is one I am sure, echo about in
Nazi Germany, and the other
one party systems of Russia and china
was death to capitalist and bourgeois.
The more important part is not the identity of
the victims for I am sure they got what they
deserved by opposing the official party line,
but the fact of the one party system.

“Death to liberals”
is nothing more then death to democracy.
And I find that sad, because I actually like democracy.
No, my mood is not one of screaming.

and the world ending with
and the world ending with
and the world ending with
not with a bang,
but with a whisper,

“Death to Liberals”

Kropotkin

4

it is simply the liberal’s turn.

history never repeats

-Imp

5

Impenitent: history never repeats

K: those who don’t remember history are
doomed to repeat it.

edit: by the way what happend to your “viva la revolution”
We have no need of revolution. Simply continue to walk down
the path of dictatorship with “death to liberals”.

.
Kropotkin

6

those who don’t remember history will think something new and liberal is happening…

the path of dictatorship? LMAO…

if you are so afraid of being a slave of bush, flee to cuba or china and ask for political asylum…

[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]

feel better now?

-Imp

7

a dictatorship is a dictatorship is a dictatorship.

The path into the future does not lie in a dictatorship.
The path lies in freedom. I will always favor
freedom. The path for me is to choice. I favor
people having choice, no matter whether I personally
I approve of the choice or not. When I say I favor
abortion, it is not for abortion per say, but for the choice.

To say viva la revolution or death to liberals, or
x is a traitor for not following the party line,
I say its wrong because they are not choices.

Unlike most here, I try to see a future.
A future worth living.
You try to see a past and maneuver the present
to somehow return to that past.
That is the real problem, we are too busy trying
to recapture the past we forget we have a future.
I don’t see how a revolution or death to liberals or
concentration camps get us to a future that is worth
living.

You fight for a past, I fight for a future.

Kropotkin

8

[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]

-Imp

9

Peter Kropotkin:
You try to see a past and maneuver the present
to somehow return to that past."

IMP: right. no wide eye invaders on this continent!"

K: That is the real problem, we are too busy trying
to recapture the past we forget we have a future.
I don’t see how a revolution or death to liberals or
concentration camps get us to a future that is worth
living."
You fight for a past, I fight for a future."

IMP: no, you piss and moan for a left wing totalitarianship (when if you really wanted your liberal dream, you’d move to cuba) while bemoaning an imagined right wing totalitarianship. what gets “US” to a future that is worth living is for the evacuation of wide eye."

K: Please feel free to point out the exact words, the exact post
where I have “piss and moan for a left wing totalitarianship”.
Of course I haven’t. I DON’T WANT A DICTATORSHIP.
I am not you. I believe in freedom, not for one or a few but
for all and a dictatorship is not the path for freedom.
I hope you learn that. The point is when you call for a
revolution or death to liberals, you are proposing the same
“cure” that hitler, stalin, mao, and yes castro used on their
political enemies. I have not called for the death of anybody.
I have not called for imprisonment of anybody. I have
not called anybody a traitor for statements made.
So who is pushing for a dictatorship?
Certainly not me. But you and your ilk follow
the dictatorship playbook, attack personally,
lie about their position, call names (label someone).
In truth it makes me sad. These days I live a life
of quiet desperation. I see fanatics like yourselves
who would gladly turn america over to a dictatorship.
I am reminded of Germany during the 30’s, when Germany
was in a rush to embrace a dictatorship and having only one
party, silencing dissent, calling for the death of opponents,
that is all part a dictatorship playbook.
I have seen this story before. It ends badly, for all concerned.

What do you gain with a dictatorship? I mean
I really don’t understand what you could possibly gain
living under a dictatorship? I mean seriously, what you could
possibly gain living under a dictatorship, I want to know.
What is the attraction? I just don’t understand it.

Kropotkin

10

-Imp

11

If you’re worried about dictatorship how come the fact that the largest contributors to the Democratic Party are lawyers and members of the teachers union? Won’t this create a dangerous unbalance in American society? A one party system?

12

Disgruntled Human: If you’re worried about dictatorship how come the fact that the largest contributors to the Democratic Party are lawyers and members of the teachers union? Won’t this create a dangerous unbalance in American society? A one party system?"

K: The problem is when contributors are allowed to
dictate policy as in with the administration allowing
special interest groups to write the laws in regards
to their special interest. For example, pharmaceutical
companies were allowed to write the laws affecting
the pharmaceutical industry and write the laws without
oversight. That is wrong but that doesn’t matter to the
current administration because hay, laws are really
just a nuisance anyway and don’t really need to be
obeyed.

Kropotkin

Kropotkin

13

Imp is right for once.

The democrats are just as bad.

The money and power has trickled around for long enough that now it’s sort of solidified itself at the top (of the US). Once you get there it’s basically just a bunch of puppets being shitdusted around to fulfil whatever sort of ends the corporations need. Most major media outlets are just extensions of the government, what they report is scripted and eleborately designed. It’s more art than news. There is no liberal bias, there is no conservative bias, there is only the playing out of that diachotomy at the same time. People like Imp only spot out that which they disagree with.

He’s off in his assesment of the type of freedom you’ll get from the republicans though, in reality it’s going to be no better than the democrats, as we’re seeing now, while he’s ignoring it.

So you might say, ‘Well what do we do if both sides are just as bad?’. That’s when you have to start truly being informed so they can’t pull off things like 9/11 and INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENCE WITH A GRAVE AND SERIOUS FACE.

If I sound like a wacko then you are focusing on the wrong calculated distractions things AS USUAL and failing your role as an intellectual.

14

Peter Kropotkin: I DON’T WANT A DICTATORSHIP.
I am not you. I believe in freedom, not for one or a few but
for all and a dictatorship is not the path for freedom.
I hope you learn that. The point is when you call for a
revolution or death to liberals, you are proposing the same
“cure” that hitler, stalin, mao, and yes castro used on their
political enemies.

IMP: actually it is the same revolutionary cure for which marx called"

K: feel free to show me the book and chapter that marx wrote that.

IMP: the same cure that George Washington, John Adams,
Thomas Jefferson, James Madison… ect. have used.

K: Now I know you are confused. They did not call for the execution
of people with opposing views, they never said “death to liberals”
They did not imprison those with opposing views. So no, the
founding fathers did not use the same “cure”.

IMP: when I call for revolution against the revolutionaries, I simply ask that what is asked is given in return. "

K: uhhh, have no idea what you are saying here.

K: I have not called for the death of anybody.
I have not called for imprisonment of anybody. I have
not called anybody a traitor for statements made.
So who is pushing for a dictatorship?
Certainly not me."

K: you do by supporting the liberal democRATS. if you were a true anarchist you’d despise them even more than the republicans. but no, you are no anarchist, you are no advocate for freedom, you want socialist slavery."

K: so much here, uh, I haven’t called myself an anarchist in over 15
years, I do support liberals who have quite clearly been a far
better supporter of freedom then the GOPers over the last
10 years, and the phrase “socialist slavery” is just meaningless
words because you have no idea what socialism really is.

K: But you and your ilk follow
the dictatorship playbook, attack personally,
lie about their position, call names (label someone).

IMP: examples please"

K: democRATS, thats calling names,

lying about position: you claim I want a dictatorship,
I don’t want a dictatorship, I want freedom for all.
we have the resources to give everyone that freedom
but greed, a three you old child’s greed prevents
people from having even the basics necessities,
such as food, water, shelter, education.

attack personally: you denigrate liberals and
then call someone who disagrees with you “liberal”,
or you denigrate socialists and then call someone
a “socialist”. Examples enough for you".

K: In truth it makes me sad. These days I live a life
of quiet desperation. I see fanatics like yourselves
who would gladly turn america over to a dictatorship.

IMP: the only fanatics are the democRATS. and their desire for dictatorship is being seen more and more for what it is."

K: ok, now you show me the proof.
Have democrats call for the death of conservatives?
who and when if you answer yes.
Have democrats called for imprisonment of conservatives?
If your answer is yes, then who said it and when, give documentation.
Its your time to put up or shut up. I want the exact words
a democrat gave, asking for, support for wanting a dictatorship.

K: I am reminded of Germany during the 30’s, when Germany
was in a rush to embrace a dictatorship and having only one
party, silencing dissent, calling for the death of opponents,
that is all part a dictatorship playbook.

IMP: you would be. but the situation in america is not even close to 1930’s germany"

K: are you kidding me? Which part of the dictatorship playbook
don’t we do? The GOPers have said publicly they want a
one party system and have actively worked for it for years,
Reapportionment in Texas is just another in a long line of
attempts to gerrymandering the GOP into power for decades.
Silencing dissent, calling anyone who disagrees with the GOPers
and the village idiot as unpatriotic and/or unamerican, traitors,
all of this name calling is an attempt to silence criticism from
liberals. We are rushing headlong into a conservative dictatorship.
Before you even say it, no I don’t want a dictatorship of either
side, I want checks and balances, I want freedom of speech,
I want freedom (for all) to practice any religion they want and
in fact I think there should be MORE religions in the U.S. not less.
I want more political parties in the U.S. I want more choice in
the U.S. and dictatorships do not create choice, but they offer
less, and thus I oppose dictatorships of all kinds.

K: I have seen this story before. It ends badly, for all concerned.
What do you gain with a dictatorship? I mean
I really don’t understand what you could possibly gain
living under a dictatorship? I mean seriously, what you could
possibly gain living under a dictatorship, I want to know.
What is the attraction?"

IMP: I am not attracted to living under a dictatorship. I don’t live under a dictatorship. the republiCANS offer more freedom than the democRATS. you are just pissed that the left wing totalitarians continue to lose elections."

K: Republicans offer more freedoms? Who wishes to deny
abortions? who wishes to deny gay marriage rights?
Who wishes to curtail freedom of speech via the patriot act?
Who has created “freedom zones” where you are not allowed
freedom of speech anywhere withing 10 miles of where
the president is speaking? It has nothing to do with protecting
the president, it has everything to do with stifling free speech in
america. Who has worked to disenfranchise minorities voters
in Ohio, Fla, California, Ala, in fact all over the south, certainly not
the democrats. The GOPers are trying to curtail freedom
of the press, tv, media of all types, and yet you claim they
are guardians of freedom? The facts, their very actions
show us the lie that GOPers are interested in freedom.
So show me the alleged freedoms the GOPers
offer america. What freedoms? tell us.

IMP: take your commie loving Utopian jaded lenses off and understand the real world."

K: and your have your personal attacks, lying about position,
calling names. Bingo, in one sentence, we have a trifecta

Kropotkin

15

I agree with you on that however there are other problems. Our children are being tought by mostly liberals and democrats. I’ve known two conservatives teachers. I didn’t know that they were conservative until after I had had them. On the other hand I can always tell when you’ve got a liberal teacher. They add little comments on the side that seems to stick out of the lesson plan or maybe the tweak the whole lesson. I’ve found that conservative teachers are less open about thier political beliefs.

Another problem in society is that the judicial system is supposed to be apart of checks and balances. This balance is disturbed when the most of the lawyers hold the same view. They get appointed as judges for life and turn into activist judges instead of doing what they should be doing, making sure that the laws are in agreement with the constitution, NOT approving laws for political gain.

16

Disgruntled Human: If you’re worried about dictatorship how come the fact that the largest contributors to the Democratic Party are lawyers and members of the teachers union? Won’t this create a dangerous unbalance in American society? A one party system?"

K: The problem is when contributors are allowed to
dictate policy as in with the administration allowing
special interest groups to write the laws in regards
to their special interest. For example, pharmaceutical
companies were allowed to write the laws affecting
the pharmaceutical industry and write the laws without
oversight."

DH: I agree with you on that however there are other problems. Our children are being tought by mostly liberals and democrats. I’ve known two conservatives teachers. I didn’t know that they were conservative until after I had had them. On the other hand I can always tell when you’ve got a liberal teacher. They add little comments on the side that seems to stick out of the lesson plan or maybe the tweak the whole lesson. I’ve found that conservative teachers are less open about thier political beliefs.

K: Are you saying political beliefs disqualify one from being
a good teacher? So we should have robots teaching
our children because they have no political beliefs.
You point makes no sense because a good teacher is a good
teacher is a good teacher, regardless of the so called
“little comments on the side” which means absolutely nothing
in this conversation. Recall your best teacher in school,
quickly can you tell me if he/she was a democrat or conservative
and how did that matter?

DH: Another problem in society is that the judicial system is supposed to be apart of checks and balances. This balance is disturbed when the most of the lawyers hold the same view. They get appointed as judges for life and turn into activist judges instead of doing what they should be doing, making sure that the laws are in agreement with the constitution, NOT approving laws for political gain.

K: a whole host of problems here. First of all, how do you KNOW
that “most lawyers hold the same view” which view is unclear, but
in any case, the lawyers I know in liberal California aren’t.
they are as conservative as Goldwater. Secondly, what is an
activist judge? An activist judge is one who overturn established
precedent, a legal precedent that has stood for years and even decades
and who does that the most? CONSERATIVES judges. The most
activist judge on the U.S. supreme court, the one who has tried
to overturn decades of legal precedents is Clarence Thomas
secondly is Anthony scalia, the two most conservative judges on
the U.S. supreme court. And judges are lifetimes appointments,
they have no political gain to make. The whole point of
lifetime appointments is to place them above the fray,
above political games which is why gore vs bush in 2000,
was such a disappointment because the the conservative judges
did play the political game there and it has cost this
country dearly and in the end will wound up costing us
our democracy.

Kropotkin

17

you have nothing.

-Imp

18

There is nothing new under the sun. -Ecclesiates 1:9

19

This is the third poem I’ve seen on the board today. For God’s sake, just stop…

20

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … eller.html