In the begining there was nothing,
which exsploded.
EDIT: yes sry for my dyslexia in the previous name of this topic
Bing is bangin’.
… and … ?
Is there some direction to this statement? Would you be looking for someone to contend with that statement?
There was no beginning. Either there is still nothing, or there was always something. Indeed, both, as existence is somewhere between nothing and something - always is, always has been.
Nothing is a concept for a state approaching zero, it cannot exist in a physical universe.
Then we are left with “something”.
But something is a state approaching 1, which can’t exist in a physical universe either.
So we are left with “becoming”.
Except when one understands phase states of matter, there is no becoming, there is radical change dependent upon vibration levels/energetics.
So although the philosophical perspective of approaching one is accepted, in the physical universe “1” is representative of matter existing, and zero is a non-state, as all matter moves from one state to the next, with nothing not being possible.
We are still left with “something”, and “becoming” is a ruse for a mind that attempts to view a physical Universe as an anthropomorphised process.
Everything begins with a bang. Just ask your girlfriend! That the universe began with a bang does beg the question of what did the banging.
Matter and anti-matter compressed into a single area. Creating a highly energetic reaction, (heat dissipation, sudden expansion).
I thought that in the “beginning” there was the word (λογος)…and the word was God.
Where did matter and antimatter come from? Were they always existing?
Until proven otherwise, that is one of the current paradigms.
The other is that this Universe is a constant recurrence.
A recurrence of what? A bright child, on being told there is a God, will ask who created God. Infinity is not a human experience and does not address human need to hear of ultimate beginnings or ends, unless, of course, those are false premises. A bright scientist, unable to believe something came from nothing, will ask what occured one second before the big bang! Something from nothing is a religious idea.
Ierrellus, put that down, that one is not a cigarette.
Recurrent process. Big Bang, expansion, cooling, further expansion, entropy, further expansion, chaos, collapse (implosion), point of singularity, Big Bang.
Round and round we go.
Steven Hawkings once famously argued that since time began at the Big Bang, you literally can’t ask what happened before the Big Bang. The question doesn’t make sense.
The trick of it is, at end of the day, even if we could ask such a question intellectually we still wouldn’t be able to answer it. Given what a traumatic event the Big Bang was (what with the explosions spreading outwards at the speed of light and all), getting information from anything pre-Big Bang (if such a thing can even be conceived) would be like trying to do serious archeology at ground zero from a nuclear bomb – you can’t say much aside from, “Welp, there was one biiiiig explosion here.”
I’ll let someone with a Bigger brain than I have explain it a little more:
Given the fact that there are some things we can’t explain about the ultimate functioning of the universe, we might have to wait a few weeks for concrete answers. In the meantime, we can speculate all we want. At the moment, I like the Hindu explanation of a bored god who ‘dreams’ the universe into being, playing hide and seek with himself until he awakens, and this universe winks out only to begin the game again. It seems as probable as most explanations.
Our perspective, then, should be on the results of an event in its developmental trajectory and any speculations about the event’s causes are irrelevant? Although most humans submit to views from an event in progress, there is still a basic human need for ends and beginnings, whether these exist or not. The no-end view dismisses most philosophy, Eastern or Western, IMHO.
Tentative,
Amen!
Western, yes, Eastern . . . not so much. Remember your Problem of Teleology thread?
I’m not necessarily saying that the cause is irrelevant in the grander scheme of things, but for our day-to-day knowledge, I would argue that it really doesn’t matter. It is kinda like the Origin of Life/Evolution divide. The origin of life is pretty much irrelevant to our understanding of evolution. Interesting, yes, but not terribly important at the end of the day. And since we can’t actually know these thing with our present technology, well, your guess is as good as mine. And I’d argue that guessing, almost at random, is that which doesn’t sit well with philosophy, East or West.
science has found that black holes will stop feeding because they don’t have enough energy to reach the rest of the galaxy.
It makes me theorize that there is a definate beginning to the universe but no definate ending.
Maybe this will cause perpetual motion in a galaxy. two equal opposites forever charging each other in a form of unlimited energy.