The Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment

The Bill of Rights was originally conceived to deal with the relationship between the State and Federal government. Only after the 14th Amendment does the notion of the individual citizen come into play, because it was through the 14th Amendment that the Federal gov’t was able to trump the State gov’t through the notion of individual rights. Probing the causes of an issue like this always leads to many different causes working in concert, and I’ll do my best to put some of the various factors into as cognizant and relevant an order as I can:

  1. Expansion of Rights. The history of rights is pretty interesting. They started out as privileges that nobles enjoyed and were gradually expanded to encompass larger and larger groups of people. When the American Republic was founded, rights that had come to encompass land-owning men were further expanded to all free men over 21. However, poll-taxes prevented certain classes of people from exercising various rights, such as the right to vote. Naturally, this created a great deal of tension between those who possessed rights in theory and those who could actually enjoy the benefits of said rights.

  2. Industrialization. Between the founding of the Republic and the 1860s, America industrialized heavily. Industrialization creates huge pressures on a society, pressures that are distinct from those of an agrarian society.

  3. Immigration. Between 1841 and 1860, there was a 600x increase in Immigration, and many of these immigrants were from cultures distinct from those that had initially settled America.

All of these create huge pressures that lead to the shift away from a civic republic and towards a procedural republic. While rights were always, in practice, held by a select class of people, the goods valued by that select class and the average citizen were generally in agreement because they came from the same cultural narrative. It doesn’t matter whether the individual citizen can vote if the elected government behaves as though the citizen had voted them in. As the original culture bifurcated into the new industrialized north and the old agrarian south, that could no longer be said to be the case. Furthermore, there was an influx of people such as the Irish, Germans, and Italians (to say nothing of the Mexicans that had recently been incorporated and the Asians who began migrating in large numbers in the late 1850s) who held different cultural narratives and different goods from the WASPs that had previously dominated America. Prior to that event, if a state wanted to have a recognized religious status it could (and, indeed, many did) but as soon as a plurality of religious backgrounds is established such a position becomes less and less tenable.

This all came to a head during Reconstruction because there was the introduction of a large new group of people with recognized rights: freed slaves. One of the Northern strategies during Reconstruction was specifically not to disenfranchise the African American population to help remove the old order that had dominated the Antebellum South. But the Southern States couldn’t be counted on to ensure this would happen, so it fell to the federal government as opposed to the states to ensure that individual rights were respected. This bounced back to the North, where the rights of the new classes of immigrants also had to be now respected.

The introduction of the income tax in 1861 was also vital (factor #4), since it slowly made poll taxes less necessary and less justifiable, thereby enfranchising larger and larger portions of the population, all with different and unique cultural narratives.

While these trends were interrupted in the South after Reconstruction ended, they continued in the industrialized North. Since the South remained agrarian, it was relatively unattractive to immigrants and the disenfranchisement of the African Americans returned it to a unified cultural narrative amongst those who counted.

But things didn’t really heat up in the North until 1897 with Allgeyer v. Louisiana, where the current (and broad) interpretation of the 14th Amendment was adopted and the trend of the Federal Government protecting citizens from the individual States became the norm and rights based jurisprudence that was neutral towards ends became de rigueur.

America had become a nation where common narrative of the good had become impossible. The division between the industrialized North and the agrarian South set the stage for two distinct visions of how the republic ought be managed. In the North, the pressures of industrialization and immigration lead to an atomization of the concept of rights, where individuals stood in opposition to the local power and it was the duty of the Federal government to protect the individual from the local power. In the agrarian South, it was the duty of the local powers to ensure a continuity of culture, aligning a particular sub-set of the population with the good and trying to prevent that community from being contaminated by undesirables.

While I disagree that individual rights didn’t come into play until the 14th Amendment (they were recognized at least in principle, except for slaves, with the references to the “states and the people”), it wasn’t until then that the understood principle of equal protection was made official (women still excepted of course).

But the principle of states’ rights didn’t come under serious fire until the 1930’s and again, especially, in the 50’s & 60’s. But it wasn’t just states’ rights that were lost, it was the entire Constitution. Following the repeal of Prohibition (I), men is smoke filled back rooms decided that the only way to get things done was to skirt the Constitution and forget about amending it. To get their new modus operandi rolling, they immediately instituted Social Security and Prohibition II (the War on Drugs). And of course the men of power then, in all branches of government, sought to increase their power as examples of the antitheses of the statesmen who founded this country and wrote the Constitution.

The real problem came in the 60’s with morality initially being on the side of those favoring civil (individual, equally protected) rights. But they soon greatly exceed their mandate, riding roughshod over the rights of other individuals with programs like the Great Society, welfare, busing, the War on Poverty etc. It was a devastating blow to the Constitution, which accelerated its further dismantling with no more justification than simple momentum. Eminent domain, no problem, just have the Supreme Court slip a 5-4 decision against it under the door.

And we continue to let it slide, making us our own worst enemies–and ultimately responsible.

I’ve always had the feeling in my lifetime that the constitution is heavily ignored by the ruling elite in the U.S.

In response to all these problems, the governmental bureaucrats just went international and control the Old Republic through the force of unbridled cash-flow. If you’re not with the payroll, then you’re against it. Anybody who isn’t or can’t be bought out eventually loses to the pressures of immeasurable cash-flows working against it. Everything and everyone can and is, bought out, bashed out, or broke & busted. Money is what the American non-Republic now bows to, the haves and the have-nots. Nothing is sacred remember? The dismantling of Christian ideology is the sign of current trends instilled to destruct the last of America’s classical “citizen” models in order to create a more duplicitous environment for our future filled with city-state structures. So, what’s going to happen…?

The poor are going to get “poorer” and the rich are going to get “richer”. The rural world will get “smaller” and the city-states will get “larger”.

I quote these, because in actuality this is all a mere illusion of degree. The rich do not actually get richer by degree, nor do the city-states get larger by degree – they only get larger by perception based on population growth. There’s a difference when looking at New York city in 1900 compared to 2000 when the population increases tenfold (?). The perception changes, not the degree.

My point here is that the Constitution now effectively represents a strictly historical document that only pays lip-service to the Old Republic. The wealthy WASPs were classically the predominant American “citizens” and they still are. Nothing truly changed to a large degree, mostly just the language and the land-scape. Everybody who works wage-labor and every small business grossing less than 1.00 mil a year is essentially the black toil worker of the 1800s. This is why Joker’s philosophies were (and are) compelling, because he was right. Instead of purely black slaves, the ruling elite realized that they had to include every race, nationality, and religion into the slavery of wage-labor. Throw in some delusions of grandeur (with the ideals of “rights”) and people are content to feed on the left-overs and scraps of the multi-billionaires or the trillion-dollar corporate entities. With that much power at the top, how much does a puny “vote” of somebody making 10-100k a year matter? Let me give you a few guesses…

TPT,

I’m not sure your conceptualization is entirely correct. I think that their reference to the “States and the people” is more an outgrowth of Hobbes’ Leviathan than a recognition of individual rights. As the Bill of Rights was originally conceived, the States had to be protected from the Federal government so that the States could fulfill individual liberty. That is very distinct from the notion that puts governmental authority at odds with individual liberty. A good example of this would be the Slaughter-House case in 1873, what would be the last gasp of the old order. In a 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court rejected the notion that a State-granted monopoly violated citizen’s individual rights under the 14th Amendment (note: no such argument would have been possible prior to the 14th).

Democracy’s Discontent by Michael Sandel, pp. 39-40.

As for the rest of what you are describing, it is by-and-large just an outgrowth of the internal colonization of consumerism. The death rattle of the old external form of capitalism was WWI, and the economic shock afterwards was its burial. So in its place, consumerism was born so markets were sought internally. This creates a fetish for the new and the counter-cultural movement of the '60s was just an outgrowth of that fetish.

The House of Representatives was the direct political representative body for the people. That it wasn’t the representative for ALL the people was of course problematic, but it established the principle of the power of the individual–the dichotomy left to be resolved later in order to at least get the principle recognized.

Just another example of a problem, the resolution for which was passed on to succeeding generations. Jefferson, in his famous letter to the Baptists, sympathized with their plight for the need for the separation of church and state, but admitted he was unable to help them.

“Internal colonization of consumerism”?

The natural yearning that people have for wanting more is an excellent motivation for being productive–and a fatal flaw of the stated objectives of socialism & communism.

Just the opposite. It was the explosion of capitalism, with the socialists degamoguing wealth envy as usual.

You are right, members of the house are elected as a part of the total population of the Union, irrespective of their state of origin. Oh, wait, no that isn’t right. Representatives serve to represent their State. They represent the people only in a very abstract way.

A problem? The Justices didn’t see it that way. The federal government didn’t see it that way. You are retroconing Allgeyer v. Louisiana onto the history of the US, which is a mistaken reading of history. You’ll note Jefferson was unable to help the Baptists. Why do you suppose that is, when this man helped frame the Constitution? Was he so daft as to not realize what he was penning? Perhaps he was schizophrenic, codifying things into law that ran counter to his desires?

As for Separation of Church and State, again that is a fairly recent phenomenon, dating to the same time period I’ve been talking about here. Look at tax support for religion in Connecticut, civil rights for Protestants in New Jersey, and belief in God as a requirement for civil service in Maryland. Prior to the 14th Amendment, the Supreme Court ruled, “The Constitution makes no provision for protecting the citizens of respective states in their religious liberties; this is left to the state constitutions and laws.”

Consumerism is a relatively new paradigm within Capitalism. Look at the relationship between, say, India and Britain in the mid-to-late 1800s vs. America’s present relationships with China. Compare trends of consumption prior to WWI and after WWII, with the intervening years being a general stumble in terms of economic activity while people figured the new paradigm out. Why did the Kaiser want his platz an der Sonne? So that Africans could build cheap toys for them, or so that they could gain access to the raw goods within Africa? Why did America push for China’s introduction into the WTO? So that the Chinese could build more cheap toys for them, or so that they could gain access to raw goods in China? You see how the paradigm has shifted.

As originally set up, the Senators represented the State (government), while the representatives represented the people (individuals) of that state. The states, supervised by the federal government, were responsible for dividing the themselves up into representative districts. It was the only official power they had to influence the House representatives, and one that was abused almost immediately, and still is.

Jefferson was in France during the Constitutional Convention. Madison was the “father of the Constitution”, but like slavery, he could only do so much about the separation of church and state which he favored as well. They weren’t schizophrenic about these issues. You can call them hypocritical if you must but they were just being realistic. They knew it was compromise or chaos.

I’m not denying the importance or necessity of the 14th Amendment. It did cure the contradiction in Constitutional power. That doesn’t mean that statesmen like Madison, Jefferson, Washington, Franklin or Paine got everything they wanted.

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A rising tide lifts all boats. The introduction of manufacturing into the less developed nations benefits both sides, just as it benefited the labor in this country and Britain. It’s your implied anti-capitalism that I deny. “Consumerism” is just a socialist pejorative for business on a large scare–the large scale being required by large populations.

Ahistorical and entirely artifactual. They served as representatives of the people of the state, sure, but the States remained independent entities.

Ahhh, but he did draft the Virginia Constitution, which was the template for our national Constitution . . .

Seems like a lot of speculation with nothing to back it up . . .

Where did I imply anything against capitalism? I merely pointed out a change within the capitalist paradigm. “Consumerism” is a major economic indicator – see: personal consumption expenditures. This is contrasted with the producerism that modern libertarians often advocate. Something tells me you don’t know terribly much about economics . . .

You originally said, “Representatives serve to represent their State. They represent the people only in a very abstract way.” If you believe those are the same thing, I don’t see it.

Yes he did, but that doesn’t change what I said about him, Madison, Adams, Franklin et al. " You can call them hypocritical if you must but they were just being realistic. They knew it was compromise or chaos."

Something tells you. Well, I guess I’ve been told.

You argued for a more cohesive federal government than existed at the time of the founding. As for attributing historical motives/desires, I’d like to see you back that one up. All we have is what they said and what they did. And what they did draft was a very different animal from what the 14th Amendment made it. As for pointing out your ignorance, a simple “thank you” would have sufficed. We can’t all know everything, but it is often wise not to jump into water too deep. What is your view on consumerism and my comments regarding it now that you know what it means?

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when the lights go out.