The Chinese Niccolo Machiavelli: Han Fei

[MrAuthoritarian]

That all people are naturally born immoral without virtue where the only way to install it in them is with an iron hand of constant enforcement and a wise leadership.

Han Fei

Legalism (Chinese philosophy)

[Maxx (Max)]

@MrAuthoritarian

That all people are naturally born immoral without virtue where the only way to install it in them is with an iron hand of constant enforcement and a wise leadership.

That’s obviously what you yourself believe, but how does one force people to be virtuous? I think you can only force them to pretend they are virtuous.

[MrAuthoritarian]

The entire concept of civilization is forcing people to be civilized.

[Maxx (Max)]

I could agree with this. I just don’t see how one type of civilization would be preferable to another if they always end up being the same thing, essentially?

[MrAuthoritarian]

Please explain that more.

[daniel_j_lavender]

@MrAuthoritarian

The entire concept of civilization is forcing people to be civilized.

But what is civilization? What is civilized? Nonexploitative? Nonviolent? Principled? Fair?

We have the filthy rich systematically exploiting the working poor. We have global military organizations preparing for war. We arguably have the most degenerative, unprincipled and hedonistic society ever.

Civilization is merely organization. Civilized is merely organized.

The organization of wealth, the organization of resources, the organization of power, the organization of violence. Civilization enables the wealthy. Civilization organizes the powerful and the powerless. Civilization creates the rich and the poor.

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The Rich And The Poor Daniel J. Lavender Poverty and prosperity are polarities perpetuated by modern society, by civilization. Laws and practices that are in place actually ensure economic and social disparity. What is civilization? Civilization is simply organized society. Unfortunately civilization is not about kindness and courtesy despite what you may have been told. Civilization, particularly the capitalistic form, allows a few families to accumulate vast amounts of wealth. The few are …

Hierarchical organization appears to be characteristic of the species. Such organization inevitably leads to the issues discussed. It’s almost like bees complaining about the beehive.

There will always be corruption, others will always compete against you and systematic malfeasance will persist. The best thing one can do is enhance the lives of those closest to you, secure a family and ensure their support. There are too many dynamics and too many personalities at play in the world to improve them all single-handedly. Unfortunately those who actually have others to appreciate would rather spend time with the keyboard complaining of innate species arrangement than enhancing the lives of those nearest.

[futureone]

Its a chimp and bonobo issue. Heirarchy is inherent to structure. Anarchy is the opposite of heirarchy. Anarachy is a vacuum that allows gang heirarchy violence to form.

Once you realize this you realize its a male issue. A chimp and bonobo issue. Traditional Male societies will always be dystopian. Futarani societies are required for utopias. Purely Matriarchal societies don’t innovate.

[Maxx (Max)]

I can write a essay to you about it if you want, but I think Daniel has already summed it up:

@daniel_j_lavender

There will always be corruption, others will always compete against you and systematic malfeasance will persist. The best thing one can do is enhance the lives of those closest to you, secure a family and ensure their support. There are too many dynamics and too many personalities at play in the world to improve them all single-handedly. Unfortunately those who actually have others to appreciate would rather spend time with the keyboard complaining of innate species arrangement than enhancing the lives of those nearest.

Now, don’t just applaud.

Reflect on what he’s saying.

[futureone]

Applaud? He’s basically doomsaying and telling us we are doomed.

And all normies do is on their immediate surroundings, and social life, and he’s telling people to do more of that, to be more like normies and animals, instead of fixing society.

[daniel_j_lavender]

It seems many are trying to address the big issues rather than the small ones. The small issues are neglected which culminate in larger ones. This is why it is suggested that people do what they can, for those nearest, as opposed to toppling the whole socioeconomic order. That isn’t sensible. It’s sensible to help a family, to take care of them and ensure their well-being. If more did that the world would likely run a lot smoother and many of the larger issues would be avoided.

It’s easy to get caught up in societal problems because they are the driving force behind media. By becoming immersed in societal issues personal needs and familial connections are neglected exacerbating those very issues. Large-scale solution should be sought but not at the expense of family.