At least I can see that the gospel of Mark has the characteristics of a tragedy. Jesus, the protagonist, is misunderstood by most, including his family and his disciples and while it ends on a note of hope that he has been seen alive again in the end, he doesn’t re-enter the scene. Early readers found that so unsatisfactory that they felt the need to add a chapter to the end in which Jesus actually reappears. Indeed, the so-called synoptic gospels of Matthew and Luke use the basic narrative of Mark’s gospel with explicit appearances of the resurrected Jesus in their conclusions.
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I personally really aligned with this until you got to the seeing him as a prophet part. Maybe that’s because I believe in the Trinity (not sure if you do) but other than that discrepancy I agree with this 100%.
I’d like to say as an American, especially right now I see a lot of horrible things happening under the guise of Christianity. I don’t want to get into politics but I’m sure you can imagine a few.
“I see a lot of horrible things happening under the guise of Christianity”
That’s because it is woefully lacking in instruction (except for a handful of commands) so that things like imperialism, capital punishment, and private property can be justified. Christianity leaves enough grey area and uncertainty to allow for people to gain an excess of power and abuse that power. From Constantine to Elon Musk… men observing rights and privileges owed entirely to principles depending and based on ideas gotten from the Bible. The whole structure of the State after the formalization of Christianity was modeled off an imagined divine hierarchy of law and order. The body of government; emperor as God’s elect, priests as administrative functionaries, property owners as “blessed and deserving,” peasants as wretched and sinful, the working class should be proud to labor in the service of the Lord (and the bourgeois class telling them all this that their labor sustains).
This whole progression was possible because there is nothing explicitly said in the religious text that forbade it. Christianity was THE perfect religion for the ruling class to use as a governing force.
It’s so unfortunate none of this is obvious to you people, and you go on and on drinking the very kool-aid that’s phucked the world that you are so disturbed by up so much.
It’d be one thing if you people were evil and wanted this eternal charade to exist so the wealthy can continue at the expense of the working classes… but you aren’t. That’s what so sad. You’ve been entirely hoodwinked.
Like bro really just was a jewish carpenters son. That’s it, man. He’s the historical equivalent of the kid you see on the skateboard in the double-wide trailer park because his dad’s a construction worker and doesn’t make much money. He’s gonna wander around and hangout like all trailer park kids do. Start a little chat group eventually becoming the leader of a gang. Then he’s gonna get in trouble with the POleece and they’re gonna give him the chair.
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Well you certainly have enthusiasm
I believe that the Trinity can be understood as a harmonious triad within a single divine entity, expressed as origin, manifestation and sustaining presence or energy. This concept transcends traditional Christian personhood vocabulary and represents a holistic unity. In the worldview or mythology of a culture, triads often signify a holistic unity, where three distinct elements or persons form a balanced and integral whole.
The divine could be described as consisting of a source or origin, a creative expression or embodiment, and a sustaining presence or relational dynamic that flows between and animates the other two. An analogy could be the triad of planning, execution, and application, illustrating the divine as an integral process of intention, action, and effect. This process transcends simple division into distinct roles, remaining a unified whole.
Many natural processes exhibit a triadic dynamic involving origin, mediation, and outcome. For example, a seed (origin), a growing plant (process), and a fruit or flower (result) together embody a complete life cycle. More broadly, a triad in nature often represents a balanced whole where three interdependent forces or components together constitute the integrity of the system. This concept resonates with the idea of wholeness through natural triadic relationships.
The only trinity is the spirit,soul and body.
The soul is separate from the physical body because the soul interprets varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves emitted from vibrating matter so the soul isn’t vibrating matter or the varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves emitted from it.
The soul is spirit.
The original teachings of Christ strongly oppose the idea of establishing a power structure based on hierarchy and domination. There are several reasons why Christ’s message should not be viewed as a blueprint for such a power system. For example, Jesus explicitly opposed the oppressive and autocratic leadership models of his time, denouncing rulers who ‘lord it over’ others and emphasising servant leadership instead. He taught that those who wish to be great must serve others, and that leadership is about serving rather than exercising dominance (Matthew 20:25–28).
While Jesus acknowledged the existence of worldly powers and governments, he placed divine authority above all earthly authority, emphasising an ultimate kingship that transcends human political systems (e.g. ‘Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s’).
The historical rise of hierarchical church structures reflects human social tendencies towards power consolidation more than it reflects Jesus’ original teachings, which curbed his followers’ ambitions for status and authority.
Just because your imagination is extremely limited and you are unable to look outside your dingy pit, doesn’t mean that there are not many more examples of a triad.
But I am able to think outside the box Bob unlike Einstein.
If you answer the bot, he’ll spam your thread just like he does every time.
There is only one true trinity Max.bot.
You need to be separated from the Max bot……Max.
The Max bot. is the binary processing physical body and Max is the soul.
I am trying to help Bob in his confusion.
Hebrews 4:12 of the Christian scriptures is true then.
I’ll put him back on ignore 
Protect your mind from the insanity.
You have a nice thread here.
There is no christian tragedy Max ….only a theistic and atheistic tragedy.
At first you say the spirit & soul are two parts of a triad, the third part being the body. Then you reduce back to mind-body dualism.
Just an observation.
Putting out synonyms does not transcend the traditional Christian vocabulary. …but you do you.
Thinking about what it is to “do me,” I suggest the following:
My position is best categorised as non-theistic or non-anthropomorphic, similar to apophatic theology, panentheism, and certain forms of philosophical mysticism. My perspective emphasises the ineffability and immanence of the divine, rejecting the idea that God is a personified ruler, a doctrinal object or a fully definable entity.
My position has always resonated strongly with apophatic (negative) theology, which holds that God is ultimately ineffable and cannot be fully captured in any positive definition or dogmatic claim. This tradition is evident in the works of Pseudo-Dionysius, Meister Eckhart, and Maimonides, as well as in certain strands of Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Jewish mysticism.
Prominent theologians such as Paul Tillich and non-dual mystics describe God as the ‘ground of being’, meaning not a personal deity but the source or depth of existence itself. This view is also prevalent in certain strands of Hinduism (e.g. Advaita Vedanta), Sufi mysticism and process theology. Jewish and Christian theology have also developed strong apophatic strands, emphasising that God is not, and cannot be, a ‘person’ in any human sense.
However, the emphasis on God as the internal source of all beings and as the light of awareness itself brings my thinking closer to panentheism (God is in all things, but also beyond them) and, to a certain extent, to the more mystical or poetic forms of pantheism and existential theology.
I believe that I transcend both Deism and Theism, as well as Pandeism and Panendeism, because there is no specific act of creation or merging. Instead, there is an ongoing, boundless and inexpressible presence. I affirm that the divine looks out from all eyes, moves with awareness and can be accessed through moments of affinity in the present, which is central to apophatic and mystical traditions but less so to classical theism or even traditional deism.
I am also aware that my assertion that ‘God is the ineffable ground of being’ and that communion with the divine is found in direct awareness and empathy is consistent with philosophical mysticism rather than doctrinal theism.
So, I find myself in good company:
Philosophical mysticism (Eckhart, Tillich, certain Hindu and Buddhist nondual traditions)
Apophatic or negative theology (Pseudo-Dionysius, Maimonides).
Panentheism (God is immanent in all things, yet also transcendent).
Process and existential theology (Tillich, Whitehead).
The spirit and soul are two separate parts Ichthus,both separate from the binary processing biological machine physical body which computes that it exists and doesn’t exist and is a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) because it doesn’t possess life.The physical body bot.does exist of course because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist but it doesn’t possess life because there is no life in existence just as there is no life in non existence.There is no life in binary software.There is no life in a soul that merely claims that it exists or doesn’t exist because the soul clearly still only sees itself as a lifeless binary processing biological machine bot.What the binary processing biological machine bot. means (in its existence) by non existence is a lack of any form of spiritual life (death)..
In the Christian scriptures it says that Adam and Eve were warned by God not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil or they would die.They did eat from it and yet they were still walking around in the coming days.
So this wasn’t an immediate physical death it was a spiritual death.A reduction back to binary logic reasoning with no escape from the hamsters wheel unless God intervened.
So atheists EXIST and claim that they are a misrepresentation of reality (an illusion) and don’t possess life….LOL!!! ….Have you ever heard anything more ridiculous than that?
…and we are supposed believe the philosophy….science and psychology of these self confessed psychotics.
Yeah right……lol
I think a good demonstration of your thesis in the OP has been freely given by some people in this thread, specially “reasonforemotion” and the +=-/-=+ bot.
While some seek to interpret Jesus’ message as something broader, encompassing all humanity, as something that spans generations and transcends the dogmas and exaggerated formalism of organized religions, most Christians are affiliated with a denomination, whether Catholic or Protestant, and understand the specific doctrine of that denomination as Christianity itself. When Jesus was alive, there was no Christianity, nor could there be. Only long after his death was religion organized and structured, and the institution called the Church was born, which exists independently and seeks to continue existing sine die, but is supported by the belief that Jesus will return one day—something that evidently does not seem to be the primary interest of an organization that loves earthly power as much as the Church.
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