The Collapse of Civilization

I’m the elder on this planet and beyond.
I don’t like to be bothered from my sleep, from my eternal slumber.
There’s a story about teenage elephants who went around killing every animal they could find.
It was a mystery. So there was a theory… They shipped a full grown male elephant half way across Africa, and the teenage elephants stopped killing everything.

That’s why I was called back.

I’ll reply to that too. I’m not after humans. Humans are too easy to get to.

I’m literally hunting the being who’s after humans. That being is big prey.

It can’t resist being called out in the open forever.

So I just take my time. This being has a lot of your hearts.

I can bring it out when I see it in you. And then it runs scared.

Details. Right? The drama actually bores me.

No.
It’s the way you die.
Everyone else can get on with their own lives and look on your angst with pained amusement

People are hoarding conversation, location, wealth, nudity, sex. They all know why they’re going to die. We all die on earth. I’m telling you how this species is going to die.

I have no angst other than that my perfect plan for existence hasn’t gone through yet.

I guarantee you my life is impeccable compared to yours. But that’s neither here nor there. I’m not attached to this species survives. I am attached to not going back to hell for no reason. I’m guarding my spirit, you’re not guarding yours.

Death is stealthy. Just like I’m waiting for my new plan to kick in, it’s taking it’s sweet, sweet, ever so sweet time to send as many people to hell as it can.

Let me explain the last part a little more simply Sculptor.
Every being on earth hunts or receives the bounty of hunters.
Jesus even taught us to hunt fish. It’s fitting here that we should all die of food poisoning.

when we’re children. That’s what humans deserve.

I made a new plan, because I think the cosmos can do better than that for everyone.
Earth is a hell realm. Lot’s of teachers have said this… I’m explaining it in greater detail than they did. In the old ways… teachers didn’t write because they knew everyone was watching them. I’m writing so people in this form can see their mistakes to that regard. Hell beyond hell is very real, extremely real actually. Protect your soul Sculptor. I know the only way to do it is to make a new optional patch to existence. You don’t seem to know that yet.

What I’m doing on these boards is drawing a map so that I can leave and you can all follow if you want. When I leave, I’m going to leave a philosophic zombie copy of myself as the map.

It will be like me because I made it myself.

You kind of remind me of a wolf in shepherd’s voice, Ec.

Inside every wolf is a cute little puppy who just wants to be cuddled.

But they still get whacked.

Which is so sad, because you come across so innocent and adorable in your videos… sometimes serious… but many times just gosh darn goofy and adorable.

That’s why life isn’t fair. That’s my problem with evil. Especially that thing you said about the Lord’s Prayer tattoo. Seriously.

Sad.

It’s ok. I don’t care how I die. As long as it’s up to all of you.

I know my plan is perfect. That’s causing actual real problems with some very powerful beings who are being exposed. That’s why I had to sell my soul to all of you. My life is in all your hands. It was the smartest move I had.

People underestimate all powerful beings who know everything.
Those all-powerful beings who know everything underestimated me.
I only use quasi-omniscience. They are shocked and have no clue how I can always out debate them knowing I’m not using proper omniscience.
I just tell them omniscience is boring, so I chose something they didn’t expect.
Fun. I even give these beings fun, because I seem to come up with everything out of nothing.
I can’t be beaten in a debate, I’m too old for that.
Sure, you can ignore or torture me to death. But you can’t beat me in a debate.
Maybe not so much humans, but the gods are floored by me.
They don’t know how I do it.

dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh

@Carleas you ignored so much of what I said to you, or interpreted it as lies or my imagination because that fits your cause. The outcome of your research is limited to what you want to know. I have little strength these days due to events that you call into question, because you are too politically correct to believe the simple truth of what has happened to me. That makes it hard for me to argue with you.

Here is a muslim who makes a prediction about Europe.

The point is that the atheistic humanists underestimate religion, overestimate themselves. What we are and have or had in the west was grounded by religious passion. Secular humanism came on top of that and profited of it, but it has no power, no mass-psychological vigor to defend the values it relies on and has claimed as its own.

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I tried to respond to what you said to me, and I’m sincerely asking for any additional evidence you have. Again, I don’t mean to call you a liar, but from what I’ve seen your general conclusions don’t follow from the evidence you’ve provided. That’s true even taking everything you’ve said about your personal experience as a given.

Like, I don’t know who that guy is, but he’s a single person expressing his opinion. There are individuals with absolutely bonkers beliefs about the future of the world on the left, but a video of one of them isn’t strong evidence of the truth of their opinions.

To reach general conclusions, you need much more data points than individual opinion, individual incidents, or even your individual experiences. You need to look at trends across significant amounts of representative data to generalize to a whole population. And when you do, your general conclusions just don’t seem to bear out.

Take this 2017 study from Pew looking at Muslim assimilation in the US based on survey data from a representative sample of 1001 US Muslims. It shows that on a number of dimensions US-born Muslims are more like US non-Muslims than foreign-born Muslims are, as are foreign-born Muslims that have been here for longer. They’re less religious, more likely to have non-Muslim friends, less partisan (more of them are Republicans). US-born Muslims are nearly as accepting of homosexuality as the general public. On the whole, US Muslims are less religious than US Christians (as measured by mosque/church attendance).

There’s more, and you should check it out. It doesn’t apply directly to Europe, but it suggests that when Muslims move to a non-Muslim country, over time they adopt that country’s values, and after a couple generations they are effectively indistinguishable from the rest of the population.

That’s the general conclusion from representative data.

“It doesn’t apply directly to Europe”

It doesn’t apply to Europe at all. It used to in the 80’s. Then, when the first migration wave was settling, muslims were integrating, and quite happily so.

It seems to be a question of critical mass. Now islam is the most active spiritual force, and that commands people back into the fold. For example, in the early 90s homosexual couples were a natural presence in Amsterdam streets, now there are none to be seen. It changed with a wave of violent assaults on them by moroccan youths. In a few years that freedom had been destroyed. Just one example. There is still the annual protected ‘pride parade’ but normal life couples must go incognito. My sister and her wife were among the victims, they were walking hand in hand one day, they were attacked by a group of muslim girls. That was the end of that. I know you discount personal and individual accounts - they seem to almost represent a counter argument for you. But they’re actually part of reality.

In general the country changed, from the late 90s to the early 2000s, from a very open to a very afraid society. There wasn’t a civil war, just some very definitive and decisive violence - making it clear that the rules have changed. People complied. The spirit of freedom disappeared. People removed themselves from society at large and disappeared into their various niches.

Another individual case. I know you think they dont count. But they do.

I know its much already - but here’s another argument for you to consider;
https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1904578727456993681

Imagine claiming to believe in humanitarian secular liberal values, while also supporting Islam.

Unreal. The internal cognitive dissonance must be deafening.

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1905154889937715653
the guy has already given in.

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In Amsterdam, the politicians celebrate ramadan, but haven’t sent a single person to celebrate our first official cathedral.

He is, I think, simply so perfectly modern that he truly doesn’t understand religion, what it is capable of, what an expansionistic religious dogma will do when nothing stands in its way. He doesn’t look at history and doesn’t know the ancient fires of the human heart.

I don’t think critical mass explains it. There are places in the US comparable to the Netherlands in population, density, and Muslim population (the New York Metropolitan Area has a population of ~19m to Netherlands’ ~18m, and ~4% Muslim to Netherlands’ 5%.

For a rapid increase in Muslim population, look at Minneapolis-Saint Paul, with a population about twice the size of Amerstam, ~10% Muslim to Amersterdam’s ~7%, almost all of whom arrived within about 30 years as refugees from Somalia.

I think your last point is strong, though: the US still has an active Christian religious culture, and I’d wager that even our most secular cities have more practicing Christians than most places in Europe. That would definitely affect how Muslim immigrants interact with society.

But I think more important is that the US is just more diverse in general. We’ve had a relatively permissive immigration system, and paired with birthright citizenship that means our ‘native’ population traces ancestry to lots of different places countries and cultures. We also tend to be less strongly identified with the city or state in which we were born: in Europe it seems common for a person to claim many generations of ancestry in an area the size of one of our smaller states; in the US more than a few generations is unusual, and for almost everyone there’s a sharp cutoff (even most Native Americans, as most tribes were displaced by European expansion).

Which goes back to something that I said earlier (not sure if this thread or another): Europe is becoming diverse in a way that the US has been diverse for a century, and the problems have more to do with other-ness than with the particularities of the other.

Yeah what kind of a secular liberal would defend religious freedom and oppose discrimination. Imagine…

It is infuriating, the assumptions you made. No one objected to Indonesians here, or people from Surinam, or the original Turks. They were respected as they respected the culture and integrated while proudly maintaining their identity. No one objected to the Chinese, or the Eastern Europeans. It is only the violent enforcing of an antithetical ethos that people object to. Things such as my own death sentence, things that were unthinkable 30 years ago.

“Yeah what kind of a secular liberal would defend religious freedom and oppose discrimination. Imagine…”

Islam doesn’t tolerate other religions. Read their book if you dare. This is not about defending religious freedom, but protecting from religious oppression.

We had a vibrant culture of playing with religious values, being creative with them. That culture is now completely dead.

Seriously, you thinking this is about fearing the other is so insulting, you have no idea. It is islam which hates the other, violently and explicitly.

The US has a law that protects freedom of speech, and you have guns. We have neither, we are relatively helpless here, in the US it isn’t as easy for an antithetical ideology to overthrow your social order.

You further commit another fallacy; of course islam is more prominent in urban areas. All immigrants are. You need to compare national ratio to national ratio, and urban to urban. Not the urban of one country to the national of another. Come on man. In Amsterdam the percentage is about double the national percentage.

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The notion of civilization’s collapse brings into question the dynamics of contractive and expansive forces that govern not just societies but the cosmos itself.

From the Kalpas and Yugas to the fractal hierarchy seen in governance and ecosystems, collapse is not merely an end but a phase in a larger cycle.

Could the decline in trust and the rise of systemic instability be reflective of a shift toward a ‘contractive phase’—a necessary recalibration before a new expansive order emerges?

If we view civilization as a holographic projection of universal laws, then perhaps our focus should be on amplifying resonance and coherence through systemic critique and ethical recalibration.

Collapse may seem inevitable, but the evolution it triggers could be our chance to redefine what civilization truly means.

You’re right. There is absolutely no concept in his mind for what we are talking about. The idea that an expansionistic, medieval fundamenalist anti-liberal, anti-humanitarian, violent and anti-freedom religion still exists is something his mind cannot possible grasp. This gives good insight into the pure blind spots of the modern liberal mind. So completely indoctrinated with its own Disney-like fantasies about humanity and how the world really works.

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I’m not disparaging Europe when I say that, and I’m not trying to pretend that the US is a racist cesspool just because we have more diversity, we absolutely are. But most countries in Europe now are where the US was in the 70s and 80s in terms of diversity.

What’s more, the US has had free interstate immigration since the country was founded, that’s not true in Europe and it shows:

  • The Netherlands is 75% ethnically Dutch.
  • The UK is 76% ethnically British or Irish.
  • Germany is 70% ethnically German.

The US is less than 60% white. And that’s the whole country, we have some rural areas that are 90%+, but our cities are virtually all majority-minority (NY 30%, LA 29%, Chicago 31%, Houston 23%) and have been for more than 50 years.

Again, the US hasn’t exactly solved the issues that presents, it’s just lived with them for a longer time, and I think what’s happening in Europe now looks a lot like what’s been happening in the US for much longer. When my ancestors immigrated here 150 years ago, people said very similar things about them to what people in the US now say about people coming from South America or Haiti, or Arab immigrants to Europe.

Why would it be that the same things would be said about all of them? One explanation is that it’s true of all of them, and probably that’s partly the case – but then my too-American outlook supports my contentions about what happens to barbarous religiosity in a pluralist culture over time.

The other thing that’s happening is that people are innately disposed against unfamiliar cultures, and in favor of their own culture, and when they see their culture and traditions being sidelined for a minority’s culture and traditions, it chaffs. That’s also definitely a part of it.

I’m sorry if this is insulting. Again, I’m not trying to disparage Europe or you, I think that’s innate in humans and I don’t hold myself apart in saying that: it’s natural to feel that way, and at various times and places it’s been good and wise. But it’s outlived its usefulness; it’s possible to overcome it, and I think we should.

I don’t think there’s a straight answer on this, so I don’t think it’s fallacious, but I agree it’s worth noting. The comparisons are tricky, there’s no perfect map.

The US has 15x the population of Netherlands but 1/5th the population density, it’s not really a meaningful comparison. In terms of population the US is more comparable to the European Union than to any EU member state, and a similar percent Muslim (both 1.4%)

For a lot of comparisons, US state to EU nation is more appropriate. New York State has a similar population and population density to the Netherlands, and similar Muslim population (3.59%).

But concentrations within a state can have a meaningful national impact, look at Ilhan Omar, who represents a district in Minnesota with a significant Somali population and was herself a Somali refugee. And New York City has a dozen or so representatives in the our national legislature.

I think that’s debatable (my impression is that their scriptures care more about apostates than non-believers), but I also don’t think Islam is unique:

“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery." Deuteronomy 13:6-10

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me. Luke 19:27

Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. 2 John 9-11

Religions be crazy, they’re not for me. Islam is just another one.

When did we start talking about Trumpism?