in order for the dreamworld to have a reality to it, it must have continuity and it must have the same consequences that our waking world has. not just some aspect of a consequence but the full aspect(s) of a consequence. as well I must be able to investigate any subject , in depth , of which I know nothing. and be able to investigate this subject in the exact same way as I would in the waking world. as well I should be able to keep up with what is happening in the news,local,national and international. without any reference to the waking world. unless you can show me different, none of these qualities are possible in the dreamworld.
therefore, there is a true and fundamental reality( galaxies, stars , planets, etc) of which the dreamworld can not comprehend without prior knowledge from the without.
therefore again, there is a true real world( true reality). no doubt.
and there is no proof to say otherwise.
Dreams can seem completely real despite not posessing the qualities you’ve listed.
sure they can ,dreams SEEM real is the key. yet as I have stated dreams do not possess the capability of investigating ,The Nature of Things , with the same depth and rigor as we would use in the waking world. this is a truism.
therefore, there is a true , and fundamental reality.
Biggest difference about dreams and reality is in dreams girls will actually sleep with me, but in reality they don’t 
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Perhaps figuring out why they won’t could hold the key to the fabric of reality?
Maybe! If I could unlock the key to girl sexuality, then maybe the walls will come crashing down and reality will be laid bare.
What is interesting about dreams is that they occur when we sleep and that they are about stuff that is similar to what we experience when we’re awake.
But a thought is still a thought, whether that thought occurs while we are awake or asleep.
To be “real”, as we commonly use the word in philosophy, a thought must, where applicable, match what is – it must reflect the reality of the object thought about.
For instance, if you think that a tree is a rock, that’s not real.
Or, a bit more to the topic, if you dream that someone loves you when he doesn’t, that’s not real. That may be a projection of your dream wish – or fear --, but the only thing that may be real about that is what you want or don’t want, not what is.
When we dream we take pieces of the world and wish upon our star.
Arguably, those who can take in the most pieces the most accurately and who wish upon the sanest stars have a higher chance of rolling the predictive dice in “their” favor.
I agree with all you say here.
so there then is no confusion between reality , the without , and the dreamworld.
for a thread , on a different site , called " Do we exist?" the arguement was that the dreamworld could be viewed as just as much a reality as the waking world. I disagreed of course.
any further thoughts Sabrina?
or by anyone as well of course.
I think Descartes put it a little bit better than the original poster…
The problem, of course, is that the fundamental difference between the dreamworld and the real world is that one (supposedly) corresponds to an external (i.e. external to us) reality and the other doesn’t. Given that the way in which we experience both is the same, surely any complete answer requires a way of explaining how in the case of the real world an external world is the cause of the representations within us whereas with the dreamworld we are the cause of the representations. I seem to recall Kant was interested in a problem like this…