The end of the current world order is the demise of moralit

Everywhere in the western industrial world the economic systems are crumbling along with every social fabric of society. What comes next is rough financial austerity measures where people will become starved, pushed out onto the streets, and left into full destitution. There will be human misery, suffering, and despair for everybody to see. In short even the illusion or false appearance of a make believe social contract is being ripped to shreds right in front of our eyes. Of course it never really existed anyways.

Governments and those in power are no longer even pretending to be moral or ethical as they make their full assault on the population at large. Instead they’re becoming down right all out in the open with their level of tyranny.

Eventually the entire system will fall into total anarchy where much chaos and blood shed will come from those vying to create a new order out of the corpse of the former one.

What we are witnessing is the demise of morality and ethics as the false pretenses that both are where once the genie comes out of the bottle there will be no way to put it back in again.

Once the pretenses of social morality and ethics are revealed to be a fraud where they’ve always been a fraud from a historical nature there will be no way possible going into the future to once again reinstate those pretenses by a future power. Why? Because the collective memory of people will live on and they will know that it is all a part of a greater fraudulent system.

The future order whatever it may be and whoever controls it will face a peculiar situation never faced by any other power in history. That peculiar situation will be how to garnish people’s obedience to a system when the pretenses of morality and ethics are no longer applicable.

I said this in another thread, but it very much coincides with what is being discussed here.

The only reason those in power have anything at all now is due to their success at mind control hypnosis via the fraudulent ideology or cultural narrative of morality. Without this their power or authority would have no teeth. Without the hypnosis of morality they’re powerless themselves for their entire system rests upon stealth and deception. The population eventually grows a immunity to the long traditional deception.

Once they reveal their entire system to be fraudulent their mass hypnosis effect on the population will no longer work. Without it they have no way of maintaining the obedience they are use to receiving and once that obedience is destroyed they will never recover it.

There is class morality, where one class is allowed to steal and another class isn’t.

And then there are those who become immune to the mass hypnosis spreading their immunity.

…and then there are those who merely believe that they are immune to hypnosis… and other forms of hidden persuasion.

There’s nothing absolute about our life.
It all changes. We are effected by things.
When someone thinks they are in control of who they are, it gives them a feeling of power. They would feel less happy if they always viewed themselves as an out of control natural chaos.

Explain this vagueness.

I wonder if we looked in the mirror (i.e. read our own posts) would we get a better glimpse about how our minds work?

I guess what I’m saying is that big ideas are becoming tiresome. Everyone wants to play philosopher and I understand that because it is fun, but ultimately these big ideas are just that; big ideas that go nowhere special like the gust of a big wind.

Or maybe I’m just a naive hippie :romance-heartbeating:

There’s a BIG difference between playing philosopher and actually living It. O:)

So then, what are you arguing for? Inaction?

What do you stand for?

I don’t know that I necessarily stand for anything at this juncture in my life. I used to stand for militarism, and then peace, and then militarism again. I used to look at the world only through the lenses of Christianity (and all its nuttiness) before I did a 180 and looked at the world from the perspective of pure scientific knowledge, objectivity, etc.

Then I had some experiences that were quite whacky and I couldn’t put my finger on it. So at this point if someone were to put a gun to my head I guess that I would tell them that I am what is. That no ideology should ever come before this very moment and that I basically take an agnostic stance towards all so-called knowledge. I have no idea what is going on in the mind, but I DO have my breath.

I see, you stand for indecisiveness.

I hate indecisiveness.

As strange as it might seem, I have to agree with both of you.

Huh?

It makes sense to me. James S Saint seems to be able to find the unity in opposites.

We can both be wrong and we can both be right at the same time without (or with minimal) contradiction/conflict.

Indecisiveness again.