And Islam and Judaism and Sabaeanism.
Pantheism overlaps with the Pauline sect (enemies of the Nazarenes) because they both bring divinity down into, well, you know. Think about human needs.Yes, that.
Argue back (l’m really interested to know how Pauline Xtianity is the formiddable opponent of Pantheism, to the exclusion of Islam / Judaism / Sabaeanism, when what l’m seeing is that Pauline Xtianity is in fact a halfway house to Pantheism, by establising deus in machina if that is the correct term - something anathema to Islam & Judaism)
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While a single article doesn’t prove Darwinian evolution, here are five examples of scientific journal articles that contribute to the understanding and support of this theory:
: This paper, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), explores the concept of “design without a designer,” arguing that natural selection, as explained by Darwin, can lead to complex biological structures and adaptations without the need for an intelligent creator.
: This article, also published in PNAS, focuses on the dynamic nature of Darwinian evolution, highlighting the importance of coexistence, environment histories, and the division of labor in understanding biological adaptations.
: This book, cited in a National Institutes of Health (NIH) (.gov) article, explores how Darwinian principles can help us understand the evolution of diseases and the development of medical conditions.
: This book by Paul Ewald, another work cited in the NIH article, examines the evolutionary pressures that shape the spread and adaptation of infectious diseases.
: This article in the journal Origins of Life and Evolution of Biosphere, delves into the origins of life and how Darwin’s ideas influenced the understanding of the transition from non-living matter to the first forms of life.
These articles, while diverse in their focus, all contribute to a deeper understanding of Darwinian evolution and its mechanisms, providing evidence for its validity and relevance in understanding the natural world.
Your so-called counter arguments are nothing but unsupported denial + silliness. Talk about hand waving— what else have you done? And now you’re going to dismiss Christianity? 
Who am I dancing for? Prove you’re not a pseudo muslim sent by the devil to defame Allah’s name. Oh yes and while your at it, produce five peer reviewed scientific journal articles debunking the modern evolutionary synthesis.
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Hello, please control yourself. You are overtly insulting me without cause. I have not insulted you and l have indulged you, l have not repeatedly made negative assertions without integrating feedback (as per your modus operandi when you have Percy Pickerington-Smythe prove after 1,400 years that Makka was actually meant to be Petra in Jordan, the Arabs and entire Muslim world didn’t even know).
My counterarguments are constructive, how are they mere handwaving?
Your arguments dismiss Christianity and more over l have dismissed it in great detail in the indicated thread.
You are making the claim (repeatedly, l might add) that evolution exists.
You are saying there is x
I am saying there is an absence of x.
Because it’s more amenable to prove x than its absence, and because you made the claim and did so repeatedly, and because proving there is no x is effectively done by debunking claims that there is x (debunking 5 peer reviewed articles, even), then my suggestion that you procure 5 of the best supporting science articles is well justified. Thank you.
You have already defaulted by throwing a wobbly. Also please stop obsessing over the man, keep to the subject matter.
Disciplinary session over, next comes my rebuttal, if indeed l have one. Please dont take it so personally, this is just science.
Plebius Pseudomuslim Maximus. You suffer from selective self-serving amnesia. You called me a liar and other things multiple times during our first dialogue. Your inflammatory rhetoric has alienated everybody on this website. And then you tell me to settle down 
You suffer from ego inflation and lack of personal insight. You are funny though. Keep up the good work, 
…that is just bullshit.
I think you’re scared that l’m going to debunk each and every article you put up. It’s okay, l can understand. If someone challenged me to prove lesbian sea dragons exist, l’d be at a loss too, but l’m not making the outlandish claims and whilst it’s true l cannot procure a peer reviewed paper proving they don’t exist, in an odd way l don’t care, because, well, the claimant should prove especially considering it’s an extraordinary claim that isn’t observed (like evolution!).
So, please, grab a rag, soak it in chloroform, hold it over your mouth and nose for 30 seconds and stop making personal attacks! I want the felix da kat back, not felix da rat!
Peace!
That did make me giggle though. Literally l just slapped myself on the wrist in honour of that. Peace! I’m busy now but will return to do the 5 articles.
Stop swearing btw.
Apologies sir, but the articles you posted are not scientific research as such, they are just talking around the topic and romanticising Darwin. They are not presenting experiments which demonstrate evolution.
Mhm. Do you admit that you cannot come up with actual experiments demonstrating gene mutations that confer evolutionary advantage? Because l certainly don’t see any in the articles you’ve posted.
P.S. Re: the articles you posted and their romanticisng Darwin, here’s what l think happened - Darwin was a posh kid but he got some recessive traits or something so he wasn’t handsome. He went on a school field trip / gap year to the Galapagos and all the kids started calling him “Monkey Boi” “Simple Simian” “Ape Escape” “Bag of Monkey S___” and so forth. To be fair the real driving force was himself, he shouldn’t have reacted.
Long story short, he had a breakdown and decided everyone’s a damn monkey and there is no God.
P.P.S. Before you lose your wits again and fly into your primitive rage (“go ape”), l’ll do my best to extract the relevant parts from the 5 articles you posted, but THEY ARE NOT THE RESEARCH PAPERS BASED ON ACTUAL EXPERIMENTS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO MAKE EVOLUTION BY GENE MUTATION A SCIENTIFIC FACT, BY SHOWING EVOLUTION IN ACTION. I shall return anon. I see you’re typing something out, keep the choloform cloth in place please.
PPMW—
On the contrary, I think peer reviewed scientific journal articles showing how God produced life would be wonderful. But I suspect that if such articles existed the world would know about them. My expectations are low. Surprise me.
God and Atheism are unfalsifiable, how easy you forget my posts.
Also, in the field of science, there is no funding for religion and there is considerable opportunity to get defunded by going on about religion in the workplace, which is, after all is said and done, a business where time is money.
Poor Odious Maximus. All hat and no cattle as we say in Texas. All he’s got are silly arguments without supporting physical evidence. I’ll try to help. No money !? A bullshit excuse. Surely there are plenty of billionaire Saudi Muslims, who would be willing and able more than to back creationist science, if there was such a thing.
You and many others here genuinely do not understand religion in modernity. There is no Christian state, not Islamic one.
Kingship is forbidden in Islam. Ruling by any means other than the Shari’ah is forbidden in Islam. There are states full of religious Muslims, but none of them are Islamic. Muslims are by and large resigned to eschatological events as being the time when an Islamic state returns.
Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic state. Turkey is overtly secular and was founded by the secularist (Atheist?) Attatur. His Young Turks had some kind of Grand Orient affiliation, do you know what l mean by Grand Orient? Their motto was Liberty, Egality, Fraternity - familiar?
There may be an occasional reference to a 12th Imam in an Iranian research article about something unrelated to science but that’s an in house joke that l read about once.
Same with Christendom. There is no Christian nation except perhaps the Vatican.
Israel today, since the Hamas attack, has styled itself as the Jewish State but it is not a religious state, no matter what it claims and in fact it was born on specifically secular principles.
Also, note that l said:
In the field of science.
Also note:
Will you produce 5 scientific articles showing actual science research demonstrating evolution in the laboratory? They will also double to show the lack of evolution in the laboratory (seeing as you asked).
This is what l need. The 5 articles you posted are mostly MAHOOSSIVE biography type articles. I was looking for curt research papers. i.e. about things happenning in the present, in the lab, under observation
Are you familiar with what a research paper is, sir?
Failing that, l can attempt to digest the HUGE task you’ve saddled me with, which is 5 general biographical type articles. But l wanted the real deal. Actual research papers.
P.S. stop insulting me please
Matthew 13:42:
“Then they will throw those who have done evil into the furnace of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Psalm 37:12:
“The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them.”
I said nothing an Islamic state. This is just another bullshit excuse. As is your statement about falsifiability. What you’re basically admitting is that you have no scientific support for your claims. I didn’t think so.
I know what you are trying to do. You are trying to foreclose on the debate by dissolving into insults (gnashing of teeth) and curious weeping too. You know l’d disprove the articles you posted, even though they aren’t even the research articles l asked, l asked for articles showing evolution happening in the lab.
Do you even know why you asked me about Saudi Arabia? Answer: because you consider it an Islamic state
Do you even know what falsifiability is? Answer: It is the applicability of a null hypothesis, standard scientific practice
Do you even realise you are trying to detract me from ever answering the 5 articles you posted (which aren’t even what l asked for), by dissolving into abuse? You are bad quality, have some class.
Here are several journal articles demonstrate microevolution in a laboratory setting. For instance, a study in Science found that the ability of populations to evolve and adapt over short periods (evolvability) can predict the amount of change seen in populations and species over long periods. Another study on Trypanosoma cruzi showed that hybrids exhibited genome erosion over generations, with varying rates between lines. Furthermore, research on Haemophilus influenzae in a pre-clinical model of otitis media revealed microevolution of genes related to hemoglobin binding and lipooligosaccharide (LOS)biosynthesis, highlighting the importance of adaptation during sequential disease episodes.
Here’s a more detailed look at a few examples:
- Microevolution of Trypanosoma cruzi
: Research on hybrids of T. cruzi showed that their DNA content decreased over time, with some lines exhibiting gradual erosion and others more intermittent patterns.
A review article on microbial experimental evolution highlights how controlled laboratory settings allow for the study of evolutionary mechanisms and the testing of evolutionary theories.
- Microevolution in Pathogenic Microbes:
Studies on C. neoformans and A. fumigatus demonstrated that mutations in DNA repair genes can accelerate microevolution and the generation of phenotypic diversity, including traits related to growth in vivo and resistance to stress.
Research on Wolbachia in mosquitoes showed that changes in their genome can lead to the emergence of new compatibility types, potentially impacting vector control efforts.
A study using a pre-clinical model of otitis media showed that nontypeable Haemophilus influenzae (NTHI) evolved during sequential disease episodes, adapting genes related to hemoglobin binding and LOS biosynthesis.
- Microevolution in Humans:
Some studies have suggested that microevolution can be observed in humans over relatively few generations, highlighting the need for incorporating evolutionary processes into studies of human demography and reproductive ecology.
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No I spoke of Saudi billionaires because they have plenty of money and they are Muslims and they could back a research project if they thought it was worth backing.
I’m sorry but.
Damn, you used to be someone.
Thank you for finally posting proper research.
BUT THIS IS ALL MICRO-EVOLUTION. HELLO? I ACTUALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE MORE ON THE BALL.
MICRO-EVOLUTION.
MICRO-EVOLUTION I S SCIENTIFIC. IT IS SOUND SCIENCE.
IT IS NOT ACTUAL EVOLUTION PER SE, THAT IS EVOLUTION BY GENE MUTATION.
SHOW ME GENE … SIGH … MUTATION … CONFERRING EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE AND IN THE SAME BREATH I WILL SHOW YOU THAT THE SAME ARTICLE DEMONSTRATES THE LACK OF EVOLUTION IN THE LAB.
Tbh l think you’d be better of just weeping and gnashing teeth.
Shall l leave you like this, in foetal position, having failed my challenge? Or shall l try to answer the original big 5 articles you posted which aren’t what l asked for?
Seeing as l rebutted the recent ones which are micro-eovolution