The Fall from Grace: A Tale Beyond the Garden

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According to the Yuga wheel we are ascending again but we are right opposite to the point where the fall of Atlantis is supposed to have taken place. Maybe that means something. The way ideology and technology work at this point don’t seem to offer a perspective for ascension.

I hear a lot about people ascending to ā€˜5D’, through astral contact with higher civilizations, through CE5. Seems fantastic but then it may be a valid path forward, as the 3D world declines into further censorship of decency and common sense.

Doubtless. Except I’m deeply religious.

It may be time for you to start having some doubts about the things that pop into your head about people that criticize your religion. I won’t hold my breath, of course.

Aha, yeah, well amen to that.

And naw, dont hold any breath on it.

Scientists have demonstrated that the belief that ā€œlifeā€ could come from ā€œnon-lifeā€ even if millions of years were available is untenable (Overman 1997). Darwinism demands a non-theistic explanation in an unprovable one time event. Hoyle in a review of the literature concluded: there is not a shred of objective evidence to support the hypothesis that life began in an organic soup here on the earth.

You’re religious? Then you’re very ironic. Stop defaming other religions without basis. And yes indeed, people with your mindset do kill, e.g. BTK.

Rebutting attacks on my religion with reason and logic are my prerogative and the only issue l’m seeing is that l’m consistently right.

I’m not randomly projecting a dark mindset on you. The fact is, the NUMBER ONE thing Islamophobic guys and females over 35 go for when they critique Islam, is:
YOUNG GIRLS THOUGH
YOUNG GIRLS
YOUNG GIRLS THOUGH
GIRLS
GIRLS GIRLS

You literally cannot get your mind off young females. If l can see your burning desire so can anybody else. Older women, even Christian women, hate the idea of being usurped by a younger female, they want to crush her ovaries. They will even speak of castrating men and 3D printing their genitalia and creating a wreath out of them. They feel neglected and admit no irony that they wear makeup to look younger.

Men as they grow older get FOMO and so insist on stricter and stricter sexual mores in a secular society. These are men that lived often very immoral lives and had their fill of immorality in their youth but now they can no longer play the field, well, it’s now perverted to marry young - as far as they are concerned.

I notice you have no answer to the allegation l levelled at you. That YOU WOULD BE UP THERE LIKE A RAT UP A DRAINPIPE if nobody was looking. Please don’t try to fool me that you want wrinkles. Liar. Rage all you want, you are dishonest. And lemme remind you, it’s YOU and your ilk that CONSTANTLY bring up young females. Never even young males, just young females alllll the way.

Hey, they do Risperidone in liquid form now.

Just saw this post of yours which you edited after l had moved on from it (l am not even going to watch the video - throwing videos around degrades a debate, unless you offer substantial commentary on it).

Your entire argument pivots on so-called Muslims and their acts. These occurrences are ahistorical, they have no basis in Islamic scripture nor in Islamic practice until the 1990s when these fake videos and stooges appeared.

These things are easily set up and the onus is on you to show how it relates to Islam. Which l can assure you, you will NEVER be able to do.

In your next post, show me how Islamic scripture is responsible for these things. I’m not going to say ā€œresponsible for the acts of these Muslimsā€ because frankly l don’t think they are even Muslim people to begin with.

Again: show me the scripture. And don’t quote a fragment of a verse, show the whole verse. Also show me what research you’ve done into the verse, i.e. the context, e.g. the verse preceding it, the verse after it (not a huge effort) and perhaps other verses on the topic.

Too much effort? Thought so. It’s easier to just post a video. It always comes down to this. Videos and the deeds of so-called Muslims. You will never, ever be able to back it up with some sort of evil in Islamic scripture because there is none.

The Islamic scripture - the Qur’an - is unique among all surviving scripture of world religions, in that it contains NO EVIL.

I think Satyr was banned for a less offensive remark!

This person is outrageous.

Correction

Deeply offensive!

Please don’t feign emotions that aren’t yours. That is the definition of hypocrisy, i.e. play acting, literally what a hypocrite was in ancient times. Peace.

The way you talk about sex… what it is to you… You prove your depravity and filth with every accusation you make. I sincerely hope you aren’t representative of all muslims.

You literally cant imagine a man not desiring sex with children…and this is ā€˜the good’ to you…

ā€œThe fact is, the NUMBER ONE thing Islamophobic guys and females over 35 go for when they critique Islam, is:ā€

ā€œislamophobiaā€, or fear of people who think pedophilia is great, is actually highest in people too young to vote in my country.

Because we dont like pedophiles raping young girls. Especially the girls dont like pedophiles. But for you the girls aren’t even part of the equation! You apparently cant even understand that they are human… and of course you think there is no evil there…

You advocate pedophilia, and at the same time you pretend like you think the story about Isabel and Ali is false…!! So on some level you seem to know it is not such a good thing. But when someone else points it out to you it suddenly disappears.

Your cognitive dissonance is radical. If you are trying to defend your religion you’re not doing a very good job.

i once delved in your scriptures but I certainly am not going back there. I cant even begin to tell you… I am already at too much risk from your fellow ā€˜good people’. I will just speak out on the symptoms.

At least I succeed in bringing out your inner truths for all here to see.

To look at the real content of your mind, plebeius, is to suffer atrocities.

The rapism and the cognitive dissonance, the projecting of your own inhumanity, thereby revealing it…

" Your entire argument pivots on so-called Muslims and their acts. These occurrences are ahistorical, they have no basis in Islamic scripture nor in Islamic practice until the 1990s when these fake videos and stooges appeared.

These things are easily set up and the onus is on you to show how it relates to Islam. Which l can assure you, you will NEVER be able to do."

All I need is your own words. Your own rapism, dehumanizing of women and sex, ignorance of adult love, are enough. And they suggest a hell of a lot of hellishness beyond.

In your religion, humans are slaves, and the world is evil. In an enlightened world, humans partake in God and the world can be turned into paradise

No, not the sort of paradise where a man has to rape virgins in order to escape his inner misery. A paradise of Creation, where people do divinely inspired work and are as god.

But look at your world, look at the barrenness of it. No creation. Only one book.

I can see that God is not limited, nor properly disclosed, in a book. That a child will often intuitively know God, that most cultures have true notions of God. You are ignorant of that, you are ignorant of the thing you claim as your own - your claim proves your ignorance.

Its okay, I expected that (most people think this 5D thing is insane, and they would never put it to the test) - the most offensive thing is him projecting his shadow (to put it euphemistically) on to me and other men.

Funny

It’s odd that you attack Islam, and are clearly Jewish, yet proclaim Hinduism. In your attacks against Islam you post a fake video of two non-Muslims, one posing as a Muslim, and giving some mocked up narration of Lord-knows-what, l never watched it.

Have you considered the pitfalls in Hindu texts?
Have you considered the sorry social state of Indian society - there’s plenty of video material for you there?

This proves my point. You are ironically only going after Islam.

The one thing on your mind when you go after Islam is females, especially virgins, especially young girls. You then claim it’s not you it’s me. No, it’s you, you and other Islamophobes always make it about young females. It is your fixation.

You are welcome to debate it here: Islam is the ONLY good religion left, plus the Bible and Talmud have no place in civilised SECULAR society

But you never will.

All he does is dig himself into deeper and deeper holes, proving everything we are saying about islam is true, yet he’s apparently either too low-intelligence or simply ideologically brainwashed to realize this.

We’ve had some muslam trolls around here, as I am sure you know, they tend to come and go. I don’t mind when they show back up here, trolling away with their nonsense, because we get perfectly clear examples of exactly what we’ve been talking about and warning people about.

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Nebuchadnezzar’s dream shows Greek influence in so far as the image corresponds to the ages they envisioned i.e. gold, silver, bronze and iron. At least part of the book of Daniel was written in Aramaic during the Hellenistic era.

Yes, he certainly hasn’t been doing his religion any favors here.

If by ā€œweā€ you mean all living things I agree.

I didn’t ignore it. But, neither did I take it seriously as a literal account. Now it seems that is what you intend. What did you do? You put your hypothetical UCP in the place of Yahweh, and pretty much left the rest of the story as is. I read the story as an origin myth best interpreted allegorically.

Didn’t you say you wanted to stimulate discussion? Well, congratulations, you did that. Apart, from your acronym, you stick pretty close to the Genesis story, so from my point of view, the implications of that story are what this thread is about. But, by all means, feel free to jump in and redirect the discussion.