The Fallacy of Normality

There is no “normal.” No one stands alone as a prime example of “well and truly ordinary.” It is an average, an approximation, a set of ideas intended to convey a baseline of socially acceptable parameters for general interaction. Being a social construct, the notion of “normal” is acquired sensationally and through experience. The meaning of the word will vary as much as the mouths which speak it while no definition could ever be documented for broad agreement.

I have always been easily identified as one who defies the bounds of normality, yet the language to describe where I actually stand is quite lacking. For my deviations from accepted tolerances, I was made to feel “less than” simply for standing out in any regard, as the nature of my differences have never been professionally determined. So I learned to blend in. That sure didn’t do me any favors. Now I understand why I stand out, and considering what it would mean to be “accepted,” I quite prefer isolation.

From a dictionary, we can see that one of the implications of “normal” as an ordinary word (as opposed to referencing a set of standards) is “functioning in a natural way.” As such, I find it quite comical that anyone could look at modern human behavior and consider any of it to be naturally occurring and otherwise acceptable. What is effectively “natural” to the point of normality is all manner of depravity.

Otherwise, why would normal, as commonly conceived, entail restraining that which is natural? What need is there for a rule unless it is to punish those who would violate it? So if “normal” is normal, why would we need laws against rape? Because no normal person would commit such a heinous act. Or would they? How might you gauge the accuracy of your own definition of “normal?”

This is the human condition, we assume certainty where none can be and render ambiguous what should be plain. What is typical and natural is destructive and violent. Basic, common, and vulgar all share in referencing something everyone knows, but it is vulgarity that best expresses the undesirable sensation of engaging with those universalities which incur disgust.

Few would fail to recoil at their bare foot stepping in a pile of excrement. It behooves us to draw back from such foul things. It’s obvious from even a cursory investigation that feces on our foot is a repulsive thing to endure. And yet there are those in the world in large numbers who would coat themselves in the feces of a sacred creature for some idea that doing so benefits them. My point is that even the clearest indicators of something being wrong can be twisted in the human mind to become something tolerable, even admirable or right.

And thus I see many wallowing in such filth. As dogs sniffing each other’s foul orifices, so many make vile exchanges, giving of their lives to obtain some paltry pleasure. We destroy ourselves and this is entirely normal. The prevalence of these weaknesses is such that they are assumed to be there even if they are not. And so our patterns are established and we reject what doesn’t fit as if our patterns are the only correct ones. So when I don’t fit those patterns, I am rejected.

I am nothing like the masses. I am not more valuable than anyone and I don’t think myself any better, I am simply disgusted by what most chase after all their lives. I am grieved by the inability of the commoner to even see what they are doing from any perspective outside of the self-centered obsession they live in every waking moment. It’s like I’m over-leveled in a video game and have lost interest in all prescribed goals, so I wander about in search of glitches and other unexpected entertainment. I will lose nothing when the plug is pulled for being so tired of the game.

I see the mixed capitalization of sarcastic responses already. “NoT liKe ThE OTherS.” The weakest of all responses, a mocking restatement. If that’s the only way you can communicate your disdain for your own lack of comprehension, then so be it. People are so quick to display the futility of trying to speak with them that it has saved me a great deal of wasted time and effort. These contrasts are even more stark in person, as I speak like I write, and I waste no effort in search of acceptance. It’s so much easier to be myself. Besides, inclusion barely registers for me as a desire, even if I could enjoy playing with the legos and tinkers toys everyone else is.

One would think a philosophy forum would be more welcoming of varied thought, but as always, “moderators” are here to protect us from overstepping any of those important lines in the sand. I’ve yet to find someone who reacts to a concept fully on this forum, as all responses thus far have chosen to focus on some tiny fraction of an idea I presented and pretend it’s all I wrote. It may well be that I suck at writing. But I consider it equally likely that the vast majority simply won’t look up an unfamiliar word, let alone spend a moment to consider the meaning of a complex sentence.

If I annoy you by virtue of my presence and strange language, worry not. I won’t be making another post here after the dismal failures of my prior attempts. Don’t get me wrong, I have no hope here. I despise hope. But for the potential, I consider this final outreach merited. I won’t need to wait long for my answers. And you won’t need to push hard to ensure I never return.

“If I annoy you by virtue of my presence and strange language, worry not. I won’t be making another post here after the dismal failures of my prior attempts.”

Sorry, but this made me laugh so hard! Such a dramatically quixotic way of expressing inadequacy. Welcome to internet discussion boards, not only to this ILP place, as everywhere the “rules” are the same:

a) people speak mostly with themselves

b) no matter how well formulated or articulated your ideas, you’re just one more here, and most assuredly your point of view has already been explored here before countless times in the past, so the “nothing new under the sun” cliché here gains a new dimension: even the wisest men bow to the frustrating reality of it

c) people are always on the defensive, their intention is not simply to discuss ideas or learn anything new, but to confirm that they were always right to begin with, ie, that all debates are unnecessary, a mere act of intellectual masturbation. They already have the Truth, the others just don’t accept it

If it was sufficient to garner your response, mission accomplished. I’m glad I could provide you some amusement, and even more so that you would take the time to share that with me here.

I appreciate also your evaluation of what you read. A ‘dramatically quixotic expression of inadequacy?’ Could you elaborate on this? Don’t hold back now, you won’t offend me (not that I suspect you care, but only that you wouldn’t have the excuse to withhold if you actually explained what your words seem to imply).

I appreciate your introduction to web forums and the rules thereof, perhaps next you can teach me how to spell “humility.”

People “mostly” do many unpleasant things, who isn’t seeking the exception?

People “mostly” assume they possess understanding far beyond what they actually do. Though your quote is attributed to “the wisest man to ever live,” how wise could he have been with so many wives? So if you are content to believe there is nothing new under the sun, you don’t deserve to find something new, anyway.

What have I to defend from you, internet stranger? I’m not defensive. I issue no assault but inquiry, and defensiveness only arises where no legitimate explanation exists. I’m getting just enough from being here to continue for the time being. I only risk time I can afford to lose.

Thank you for your input. I hope to hear more from you.

“If it was sufficient to garner your response, mission accomplished. I’m glad I could provide you some amusement, and even more so that you would take the time to share that with me here.”

Yes, first thing to understand, man, “I’m in it for the pleasure”. I have learned not to take things so seriously, especially other people’s opinions on me.

“I appreciate also your evaluation of what you read. A ‘dramatically quixotic expression of inadequacy?’ Could you elaborate on this? Don’t hold back now, you won’t offend me (not that I suspect you care, but only that you wouldn’t have the excuse to withhold if you actually explained what your words seem to imply).”

Don Quixote fought only against phantoms in his own head. His was a fight against his own imagination. You employed such a dramatic tone, as if everyone else here was deeply concerned about you, about debunking you. Most probably aren’t even aware of your presence here. Once again, don’t take things so seriously, this is just another online community like one million out there. “Not fitting” here is not even a shadow of a problem.

“I appreciate your introduction to web forums and the rules thereof, perhaps next you can teach me how to spell “humility.””

I despise humility in the usual sense. I don’t bow or submit to any man, I’m my owner and the measure of all things to myself. Now, I appreciate the humility I myself create. What I know and what I do not know about all this space around me which is not me. What I may be searching for in a place like this. Entertainment? Knowledge? To pass the time? Train my writing skills? Whatever the reason, I need this here place for something. This is my version of humility, if I’m here like everyone else I must submit to certain rules, but I’m entirely free to go away and get rid of these rules whenever I want. Which means, I want the humility that serves my own good, not the humility to just be part of a nameless crowd, like others preach.

*"People “mostly” do many unpleasant things, who isn’t seeking the exception?

People “mostly” assume they possess understanding far beyond what they actually do. Though your quote is attributed to “the wisest man to ever live,” how wise could he have been with so many wives? So if you are content to believe there is nothing new under the sun, you don’t deserve to find something new, anyway."*

Quotation marks, dear. “Nothing new under the sun” is a cliché, what people would eventually tell you if you complained they’re not paying attention to your ideas. Now there is obviously something new under the sun all the time, each newborn is this something new, this something unique, which unfortunately most are satisfied in hiding behind the veils of sameness.

“What have I to defend from you, internet stranger? I’m not defensive. I issue no assault but inquiry, and defensiveness only arises where no legitimate explanation exists. I’m getting just enough from being here to continue for the time being. I only risk time I can afford to lose.”

This is how most people are, not only just here, but everywhere. Their sand castle of truths is their most precious possession and they’re not willing to give it up for anything. So almost every discussion ends in a stalemate. Nobody is saved, nobody is doomed, nothing is lost, nothing is gained. To be open, to inquire, is a general sign that you haven’t digested your philosophy books well. When everybody is a know-it-all, who really can teach or learn anything? Now I’m glad this doesn’t apply to you, it doesn’t apply to me either. There are a plethora of things I know nothing about. I have the one essential knowledge- everything revolves around me- but even this knowledge is not 100% indisputable, just the most probable conclusion I have drawn from the inquiries of my consciousness.

“Thank you for your input. I hope to hear more from you.”

You’re welcome.

Oh, I like you. Had I made only one request of respondents, you have already fulfilled it! A point-by-point quote and response? Absolutely ideal, thank you.

“I have learned not to take things so seriously…”

Does it seem that I do? I am as serious as a fidget spinner for the most part. I only relinquish all humor under threat of harm.

“Don Quixote…”

Okay, as I suspected. From where I’m standing, your 9 is my 6. But I’m not saying “you’re wrong” here. I’m saying I’ve been over there, and I can agree that’s how it looks, but check it out from over here. Don’t bother there or there, it looks like nonsense from those perspectives. But as they say in the military, “trust but verify.”

I give you my word for whatever it may be worth to you, but I am honest as a principle and encourage you to see for yourself (to an appropriate extent, as may occasionally need clarification. I do appreciate my privacy and will always respect yours, let’s all keep our distance). So stand over here and tell me what you see. It is a 6, and it looks like nothing at all when being looked at from either side.

Am I clear as mud?

No, I think you’re smart. You picked up on more than most. You have a strong sense of self. But yet you feel you need this place, or something it offers. You present a humility for gain. You obtain something you seek here. Perhaps the kind of gratification that comes from pedantically addressing me as “dear” for mistaking your quotation marks as being used to make a quotation from a famous ancient author.

You think a newborn is new? This is why you believe as you do, you can’t even conceive of new. If I told you something new, you would mock and reject it, full of your own understanding before you heard the half of it.

Not everyone wears a veil. Your assumptions lie to you all the time online and even in person, but people always seem to recognize something real upon eye contact, in my experience. Online it’s more difficult to recognize among all those trying so hard to fake it.

Let’s take a look at your reflections on nothing being indisputable, being you seem to see through me so readily. I disagree with you. Some of the most intelligent people use their abilities to rationalize the most vile inclinations.

Justify for me, what could be disputed in favor of violating another for personal gain? What gratification merits the destruction of a child?

Some things have gravity and deserve their place in proper discussion. Perhaps I am the troll for literally desiring to bring light where many would suppress it.

It doesn’t have to be true that nothing leads to anything. It doesn’t always have to end in a stalemate.

But that’s why all I risk here is time I can afford to lose. Giving up only ensures failure, so it is only practical for me to continue my efforts toward whatever I value sufficiently for the investments of pursuit.

I will find someone who can understand me :slight_smile:

And although you’re still kinda far off the mark, you’re the closest yet. So that’s cool.

“No, I think you’re smart. You picked up on more than most. You have a strong sense of self. But yet you feel you need this place, or something it offers. You present a humility for gain. You obtain something you seek here. Perhaps the kind of gratification that comes from pedantically addressing me as “dear” for mistaking your quotation marks as being used to make a quotation from a famous ancient author.”

There’s no way for a human creature not to need things, no matter how self conscious, self independent or powerful. This need may be seen as a weakness, yes, but as long as my needs, whatever they may be, are satisfied, I don’t care how you label them. If I or you search a place like this, we’re looking for something here. The problem is: what I or you can’t find here can most certainly be found elsewhere. We just need to know where to look. This place, like every other, is here to be used, to be owned, or simply left behind. Once I find its utility entirely exhausted, I’ll leave.

I was trying to tell you only that, if you’re feeling inadequate here, don’t waste no time and simply find something else to fulfill whatever need you’ve vainly tried to fulfill here. You’ve absolutely nothing to lose.

“You think a newborn is new? This is why you believe as you do, you can’t even conceive of new. If I told you something new, you would mock and reject it, full of your own understanding before you heard the half of it.”

Yes, every single living being in this world is unique and entirely new, and that’s just more painfully obvious in the case of the human animal. Whatever you have to say to me, if it has any value at all, must necessarily be something new, your own take on things, unless you’re literally copying and pasting words of another. Your mind is entirely your own. Difficulties in communication happen precisely because you can’t fully communicate what goes in your head, you try, but the other one just “translates” your words to fit his own level of understanding. Hence the sensation we’re mostly speaking to ourselves all the time. Your not being able to perceive you’re a unique event in the history of the universe just goes to show why you feel frustrated. There are no two truly equal human beings. The incredible difficulty in mutual understanding exists because of this simple fact.

“Not everyone wears a veil. Your assumptions lie to you all the time online and even in person, but people always seem to recognize something real upon eye contact, in my experience. Online it’s more difficult to recognize among all those trying so hard to fake it.”

I said most. We’re all different from each other, but we also know the convenience of pretending to be equal. That brings a simulacrum of tolerance and acceptance at least. And here we are back to your original point: the semblance of normalcy. Nobody is ‘normal’ because everybody is unique, that’s the gist of it.

“Let’s take a look at your reflections on nothing being indisputable, being you seem to see through me so readily. I disagree with you. Some of the most intelligent people use their abilities to rationalize the most vile inclinations.
Justify for me, what could be disputed in favor of violating another for personal gain? What gratification merits the destruction of a child?”

I won’t justify anything that I personally don’t do. That’s examining a problem only superficially. You mean to say: Well so everyone can do whatever they want, how to place the blame? The answer: you can’t. Because you only think of blame when someone has already done whatever you deem as unacceptable (beating a child, raping, etc). Before the act is done, you think onky theoretically, ie, not about real people, but about your idea of what people are or should be. “People shouldn’t do this, people shouldn’t do that”. As for me, I’m only concerned about what people actually do. As long as you keep your distance, and don’t trespass, don’t touch my body without my consent, etc, you’re perfectly ok to me. Only when you threaten my well-being, I deal with the implications of your act (and may even kill you if I need to). So I have no need to “justify” anything that I don’t do personally, and whenever someone decides to do something gruesome, he will have to face the consequences. Now, if society allows him to go unpunished, that’s not my business. I wouldn’t.

“Some things have gravity and deserve their place in proper discussion. Perhaps I am the troll for literally desiring to bring light where many would suppress it.
It doesn’t have to be true that nothing leads to anything. It doesn’t always have to end in a stalemate.”

Of course not, but I’m talking about my own experience. 25 years of internet, countless discussion boards like this. People really open minded and ready for enlightening conversation, that’s rare. Most are know-it-alls. Everywhere.

“I will find someone who can understand me :slight_smile:
And although you’re still kinda far off the mark, you’re the closest yet. So that’s cool.”

No, you won’t. Totally understanding is impossible, because of what I previously said: uniqueness. At best, you’ll find people who will be able to understand you at the most superficial level. If that’s okay for you, what can I say?

Goddammit man, you are so right on. Spot on. Thank you.

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No, society doesn’t merely pop into existence from nowhere or from merely human arbitrary biases and opinions. Society and its various forms/norms arise from REALITY BEYOND THE SOCIAL which is to say, from things like biological and evolutionary necessities. Why do you think we have social norms? Because these have proven useful in the past for survival and progress, therefore they were adopted and passed on via various forms of selection.

Society is a (largely) biological construct. Not the other way around. This includes aspects of society we call norms, standards, expectations, etc. Healthy adapted ways of surviving and thriving in a world that is always trying to kill us from just about every angle.

Normal simply means the tendency toward health. Not whatever “everyone else is doing”. If everyone else is doing something stupid and harmful, that isn’t normal. What is normal is whatever has been selected for as promoting the health and fitness of the group and the people within it. Rejecting normality merely because “everyone else is doing it” is nothing but an emotional reaction for edgy emo teens who want to rebel against their parents. Go for it, we all have that phase. Then you grow up and realize the world actually exists the way it does for a reason, society and norms exist for a purpose and when you fuck with them, reality fucks with you.

Edit: This was supposed to show as a response to Humanize immediately above… /edit

Oh, I like this.

You know the origins of society, do you? You trump my observations with your impossible knowledge of beginnings and sources?

You seem awfully confident in your explanation, reasoning, and justification.

I don’t know all these wonderful things you seem to, but what you profess certainty in strikes me as dubious.

Evolution? Really?

Now I would not contend by arguing for creationism any more than I would feel politically limited to “options” provided. Nothing in our three-dimensional reality has only two sides.

No, I would contend that I do not know the source or origin and that neither do you. I tend to exclude the unknowable from my reasoning, and I find some “knowledge” fits better under mysticism in the face of scrutiny. And I really don’t know much, so that leaves me primarily to patterns observed.

Now, why do I think we have social norms? Hoo boy…

I don’t know your familiarity with history and archeology, but they play a significant role in what I think of social norms. Without a novel covering at minimum Karahan Tepe, the Yamnaya people, the Sumerians, most of the bronze age, religious histories, what may be considered “conspiracy theories,” and countless stories from only the last few hundred years, I don’t think I’ll be able to effectively communicate my perspective.

So that’s on me. I’m fighting a losing battle with my own limitations. But I see where you’re coming from and appreciate your input.

Edit 2: I would like to add that entropy is a law and evolution is a theory while yet both are put forth as scientifically factual.

I am hesitant to discuss the differentiation as I have found logical challenges to the supremacy of “Science” are received by most as blasphemy. Evidence can only suggest; it is pattern repetition which brings definition. What appears revealed by evidence alone can be manipulated for deception. What is plainly revealed by consistency is more challenging to obscure.

But with so many patterns denied to comply with social programming, it’s understandable why those patterns which should be most obvious must be highlighted and explained. However, it seems very few are willing to approach this, as there must first be a rather painful shattering of the confining walls of irrationality. Logic is abrasive to rationalization and justification.

Final edit (really):
Okay, last one then I’m done for now, just wanted to clarify one last thing…

Logic is abrasive to emotion, which constitutes the majority of the foundations for rationalizations and justifications. Faith is the insistence that what is true cannot be proven, and faith in action translates observations through the filter of what has been selected as truth.

The argument has been presented as a false dichotomy:

‘I believe God created the world, making God the highest authority. Therefore deity dictates morality by selective contact with human intermediaries. So I am a willing and holy slave and will thus accept these recorded divine words as truth, because I am saved.’

or

‘I believe we evolved over time and that we are the highest known life form at present. Therefore we determine morality with the superior logic and reason that has made man the apex predator. So I am the pinnacle of evolution and have thus selected all the best facts and opinions as truth from among what’s presented, because I am smart.’

As if these are the only debates left in the discussion! As if it’s either one or the other! But that’s beside the point. This is just one of many such widespread delusions. I’m not calling science nor any religion a delusion here, only the unwavering conviction that any of them might stand as singularly above all and true.

Another easy example is that if you cut your boy’s penis, it’s circumcision. Cut the genitals of anyone or anything else in your care and it’s a felony. Why not circumcise your daughter or your dog? Aside from religious rituals no infant could consent to, why mutilate a baby dick? Emotions may rise in defense of this one, but it is one of the more painfully foolish of prevailing sensibilities and so easy to demonstrate as such.

Logic uses pattern consistency to make connections and explain. Feelings thrive on fluid ambiguity to continually justify poorly founded inclinations. I don’t know much, but it is pretty clear to see that feeling based reasons are conflated with logic based reasons by many many people. But I don’t expect to change minds, that’s a fools errand. I’m only observing and discussing, civilized contention has it’s merits.

Modern psychology is about identifying and correcting behaviors that contradict the welfare of the collective, guided by a particular objective - an ideal.

This does not mean all ideals are equally valid.

What determines their quality, or truthfulness?

Nature.

Natural order & chaos.

There’s a reason why some mutations, manifesting particular behaviors - primarily sexual - are considered ‘abnormal’ or ‘unethical.’

The reason is not human power, but something greater….the power of the entire cosmos, we call nature.

Setting aside chaos….if we focus on what organisms can experience - as in natural order - then we can become aware of the reasons - the necessity - of particular behaviors being advantageous whereas others are neutral and others are advantageous.

There are common themes that w find in many species that practice cooperative survival and reproductive strategies.

Themes that promote cohesion, stability, harmony and competitiveness.

These themes men have encoded into rules, we call moral…..and then amended to allow our continuing interventions upon natural order - we call those ethics, so as to differentiate them from the previous, that are entirely the result of natural selection.

‘Normality’ falls wihtin this moral/ethical standard.

Problems arise when ethical amendments begin to contradict naturally selected moral behaviors, in effect contradicting the welfare of a population.

We can characterize them as disharmonious, manifesting mind/body dissonance, as it is often called.