Let’s talk about this.
I’m going to come back and post later because I’m driving right now.
Should Americans care about the fiscal cliff thing? Who’s going too be affected how?
Will Obama stop the republicans and their crazy idea that the only way to save the country is to starve the poor?
Will America have to pilfer some resources from another part of the world to cover all this by the time its over? A war maybe?
Thoughts? Suggestions? I’ll conceived political rants?
Yes. Because we can.
I heard about this crazy land where the bank problem was solved, and which the media now ignores! Imagine that…
Not exactly pilfering resources in the past has worked out very badly for you, and I don’t just refer to more recent excursions into x. Operation Ajax for example was an unmitigated disaster, that set Iran back many, many years, all for the promise of a favourable oil supply from Iran that you then ended up losing. What the US needs is cooler heads, less idiots, and more scope. For example I am not just going to hit and run on this, the US has the ability to supply itself with oil in the near future without being a huge importer. This didn’t come from war, it came from technology, something Republicans originally thought wouldn’t solve the oil problem. Idiots look two terms down the line, and restrict budgets in research, smarter people look ahead. Whilst the republican party isn’t evil it certainly has been done no favours lately, until it stops being subservient to lobbyists that have short term interests in mind it cannot possible win votes.
Today’s bipartisanship is just a distraction to keep people’s attention occupied, like throwing bones to dogs to keep them busy.
America wants greater world influence so it can keep the other great powers in check while still being on top. Everything else is details.
I agree with that.
Yeah but the US is a fading power now, just like we were in the early 20th century. Details it may be but the US wasted a lot of its golden age and now we are seeing the Asian giants rise, we should not fear that.
Agreeing with me, that doesn’t happen very often, I might of said something good for a change, but you can’t hold me to that, most of what I say is utter shite. So I will be back when and if it turns out to be good, or something.
How about this for a trite answer–“What the world needs now is love, sweet love” ?
What in the world is the “fiscal cliff” other than a way to incite fear and anger in an unthinking public, much like GWB saying there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Given that fear and anger, aren’t we then allowing anyone to come up with ‘solutions’ to an invented ‘something?’
I don’t think it has anything more to do with the financial future of the US than a chimera set in motion by interests in order to push their agendas. Can anyone show me otherwise, please? I’d love to believe otherwise. I’d love to be able to say–“Hey, we can avoid falling over the edge of this non-thing we’re now calling the “fiscal cliff” by turning the Federal Government into a financially successful business. First thing we need to do is cut every expense that gives us no real financial return on our investments and think only of what gives us some kind of return. If we don’t do that, we’re doomed to fall to our deaths into the chasm of overwhelming debt that will take our children’s and our grand-children’s lives from them!”
Actually, I wouldn’t love to say that at all. What I’d really love to say is, “Piss off! Don’t continue to try to tell me how to think! You’ve controlled my life for no other reason than to satisfy your lust for power long enough. You’ve led my country into war–you’ve misused my money for your own gain–and you’ve done all that with no regard for life. Now you want to continue that agenda? Bugger off, hyenas!”
Of course, I’m too much a lady to say that–besides, who’d listen?
And which the Americans on ILP now ignore in favour of their typically insular dialogue about themselves.
First off, I hate the phrase of “cliff” that everyone is using. Words that terrorize . . .
The way it looks now is that both parties won’t come to an agreement so that both higher taxes and spending reform will still occur, anyway.
At that point, no particular party can be blamed for a decision that would pretty much guaruntee something similar, were they to agree.
Are we jumping backwards off a cliff, or driving a car off a cliff? Does it matter which? Is the metaphor more annoying to pockets, than scary?
…I even put it in picture form.
Why, you goddamned universe, why?!
Don’t blame the universe.
Blame Americans.
Iceland didn’t bail out it’s people, George Bush did. He sent them billions of dollars. Arresting and isolating the only people who understand why it collapsed locally as it did wasn’t wise- especially as it was a international collapse, and not just Iceland’s collapse. They need their expertise in explaining just what they did, as they know themselves and their actions better than anyone. Not saying I like bankers- I am deeply dissapointed and suspicious of them, but you kinda need them to explain why the books aren’t reflecting reality if your gonna fix it using those resources. Just common sense. A revenge mentality isn’t very productive here.
The Fiscal cliff is very real, but the republicans didn’t make it. We’ve fought very complex wars in the past and didn’t bankrupt anything. Wars are built into our system. I know that sounds weird and sick, but it’s the truth… as well as for any nation who has a government that calls upon the tradition of the Magna Carta. Wars has to be bankrolled and agreed to. I didn’t support Libya for example, at least the crazy insane way it was done, but we made sure we could fund it first, logistically as well as in credit. It’s why all that wrangling occured, and silliness suggested, and search for allies secured.
What made this cliff happen was a deep need between the two parties that are dominant in the US to disagree. Other factors are also present, for example, investing houses using programs simulating market investment patterns to invest over on the ground investigation of real assets and real opinions. That was the people… your IRAs needing to stay afloat and pay for a population bubble in a market that was decreasing in terms of tradable assets, having lost our major industries, from Steel to Manufacturing. That’s not just a american phenomena, it’s international, and much worst in some of the most socialist countries, such as Norway, in the western world we’re told to affirm as positive examples. They lose their soverign trust funds (as paracitic as it gets), their system is fucked. They’re only as smart as the system they’ve invested their hopes into.
As long as we can’t talk to one another… this fiscal cliff OCCURS. It’s already happened in many respects. Laffer’s curve has already shown we’re on the depreciation side of it- money is leaving the stock market, people’s assets are dissapearing- rich or poor. Fearmongering is rampant, as well as finger pointing. This is why political parties are fucking bad. They create a artifical group think of my side versus yours.
The republicans are not the cause… nor the democrats. The need to insulate ourselves and fear the other is. To create boundries, and to resurrect and maintain at great strain the means to a opposition. Labeling half the country as racist people who want to murder and steal and work the other half to death, as the democrats are doing is so very, very fucking bad. It stops any ability to compromise, as the Republicans (the vast majority of them) are very aware that they are not racist. They tend to have a decent economic understanding of the genesis of wealth, as wealth must come from somewhere… though effort to create it. This is very, very sound and logical, and resembles reality. Wealth isn’t a symbol, and the security of dollars dramatically depreciates if you just print ourt a shitload of them to pay for everything like candy in a parade with no regard whatsoever of them existing in reality. That is their arguement… not racism.
On the other end, you have people who are well meaning using aspects of economics that are not concerned with the origin of wealth. Causality of the origin of money isn’t their concern… just on macro aspects of if when it exists in a larger system. If it exists, it can do some very cool stuff, much like blood pulsating though a body. Not enough blood, you inject more into the body, and it can do some awesome things. It’s a vascular theory, while Republicans are more concerned with the bone marrow- the place blood is produced in the first place.
Now, there is a whole lot of the country hurting. It’s largely manufactured hurt. We’ve spent the last few generations inflating cities, and the cities are largely now, given a emphasis of embracing ideas that destroyed our manufacturing capacity… service jobs that produce no products that we can sell or exchange internationally or exchange for imports on a apprecaible scale that can keep us afloat. We’re knee deep in inflation, have been long before George Bush came into office. The ability to cut hair, or be a security guard, or drive a bus, doesn’t produce new wealth- it transfers debt. That’s it. In the best of worlds, it supports the people who create and manage that wealth, and invest that wealth. Increasingly, it’s not even doing that. Hence, the inflation and job loss.
Democrats believe they can continiously print out money and make this system balance out. It’s only possible if the system would reorient itself and establish itself more realistically. So far, it hasn’t. If anything, it’s continuing in it’s free fall multi-decade decline. We kept it going this long largely though inventive trickery, using the fegeral reserve to come up with tactics to slow down the advance. The federal reserve long before Bush or Obama came into office said it was coming. It’s common sense.
So yeah, we’re approaching the fiscal cliff pro forma, and it’s already a de facto reality. We can’t make new wealth. The industries we saved, such as manufacturing, isn’t doing squat as far as anyone can tell in recreating itself so it can be long term self sufficient, and taxable. It’s a massive wealthfare case, and until it makes something awesome enough to get people to invest into it, it’s gonna continue to fail. The industries we’ve just lifted the burden off of, such as the steel industry, collapsed under Bill Clinton… it’s almost all now internationally owned, and when downsizing occurs, it hits the American worker and not the Indian or Chinese. They have been butchering the Steel Mill here in my town, tearing it down. It used to be employee owned… my town WAS the most Socialistic in the US in the past. it required Americans to dig out the coal, mine the pig iron, and smelt the steel. That made a valuable and needed resource that could be made into other things, such as cars or buildings. Now we don’t make shit. Now we’re not socialist. Instead there has been a massive demographic collapse, and people fleeing into cities unable to support them, or accepting ever increasing levels of poverty at home, that takes it toll year after year.
This is why the Democratic Message sucks WORST than the republicans. It’s a massive cock block to the means to creating work, and therefor creating a tax base, a tax base that can fix social problems on a government level. In addition, it says everyone who doesn’t accept it is stupid, and a racist. Then it places the entirity of the problem on others, cleaning their hands of the results. It’s to the democratic party’s advantage to do this, as it controls the cities, largely though the poor neighborhoods (neighborhoods I’ve lived in). They lose their independence, and in order to be housed and fed, they gotta be compliant. The rest of the democratic party thinks it’s great, as it’s them doing something christian and ethical, helping the poor from a distance, insulated in their little communities.
It’s fucking sick, and is the prime example as to why Democracy isn’t gonna last much longer. We’ve seen nothing but Catalines rise up from the Chicago area, with their disturbing conspiracies and criminal records taking control of high office.
Republicans aren’t that much better. They have a grasp on the productivivty aspect of economics… are fully justified in pointing out the absolute and suicidal tendencies inherent in the Democratic party in not preserving the means to grow the economy, to have a solid taxable base, to increase the divestity and integrity of our wealth, how massive inflation is the ONLY RESULT of massive printouts of imaginary money. However, they’re not doing much to show how wealth farming for themselves does shit for urbanized ghettoes who can’t see beyond the next welfare payment. The poor see them amassing wealth- something they never had… building sky scrapers… everything costing biillions and trillions of dollars, thinking the produce of each item stands indepent of the system as a whole. A billion dollars to build a skycrapper is money in someone’s pocket… how did they get the money in the first place? Who could honestly work for that much money honestly though their own hands? Anwser is no one can unless they inherited that much money, or authority over it though some kind of collective power, and those buildings are heavily indebted though multiple banks, and unpaid for for decades until the tenants can pay them off. The banks grew naturally though a combination of sound economics and risk of investment. Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail. However, they are all doing something the common man doesn’t have access to, a lifestyle of wealth and authority over things that they can’t imagine having themselves.
It doesn’t help in explaining the long term, multigenerational build of producing such complex wealth in the first place, if everyone is crying for ‘gold standards’. The average hoodlum in the hood knowns damn well what gold is. It’s actually his poor understanding of the worth of gold that makes gold woth something in the first place. Gold historically wasn’t worth much other than being pretty and easily mallible. It was a status symbol and a poorly placed sense of security. Guys like Marco Polo’s family- Traders into lands without reliable banks, explored the worth of Gems. They are fucking rocks. It’s only because fools beleive it’s worth something that it’s worth something. Now gold can be a conductor, used in processors, so it has a more tangible value… but the needs differ from processor to processor, and can easily lose it’s value given a technological change of preference in a moment’s notice, if a tech company tires of using it, or likes a alternative- which many exist.
So… the search for a reliable, static, always valuable source of secure money is the big fad with the republicans. Their equivelents across the globe have been for and opposed to universal curriencies, depending how unstable their shitty money is at that moment. If your money is plentiful but worth nothing, a internation currency sounds wonderful. If your nation’s currency is stable and worth something, then fuck no. Every historical example has been promoted, gold, pearls, silver… and some oddities, such as nuclear waste… which wouldn’t be a quickly traded, but centrainly something complex and worth something.
So now we got a secondary system more absurd that the current system being instituted. Instead of a universal currency, we have a international reserve currency being produced. It’s value is based on what nation’s are willing to buy into it in advance… with their currency, and the money borrowed is the basis for a global bank. We already have global banks, and the new reserve currency is in actuality the same old currency used in common by every participating country out there. It’s a fucking stupid idea designed to confuse people and mislead them, much like when Goerge Bush borrowed 1 Trillion imaginary dollars from the chinese they just happened to have sitting around (biggest scam in the history of economics… fuck, he should of came to me, I would of lent him a trillion- would of printed it out right then and there).
It’s only hope is to delay via confusing debtors… and in this world, everyone, form the poorest to the richest, it the debtor. If you got money, even a dollar, you have someone’s debt. Democrats need to realize that comes from somewhere… printing money makes it worst. There shouldn’t be such thing as regularly schedualed debt to maintain the health of a system if your system requires taxation as the primary means to sustaining itself. That’s fucking absurd. Republicans need to do everything in their power to break these absurd population buildups in the cities. There is nothing there but service jobs, and that population becomes increasingly isolated and dependent by the controlling aspects of government. In San Francisco where I lived, they would go so far as to segregate the hispanics from the blacks… one block in the projects of hunters point, nothing but hispanics… net block, blacks… repeat over and over. I still to this day can’t explain what I saw other than a Machiavellian means of segregation and control. Republicans also need to better explain how their wealth farming actually results in jobs. It’s gonna hurt, because some of them are just wealth farming and investing into absurdities, like gold and gems and other silliness and not into banks or starting their own businesses. They also gotta do much better in producing new businessmen. I don’t just men a barbershop in povertyville where half the town is on welfare. I mean real wealth creaters… something producing products that can be sold. As long as they fail in this, Democrats won’t be able to tell the difference between a job a factory and a job in government beuracracy… both are jobs. You can have more in one or the other field and wealth just somehow magically increases across the board. Honestly, it’s cheaper- as Cuba discovered- as they have a absolute wealthcare system, to just fire all they useless beaurcratic jobs not actually producing work, and reorient the wealth lost on the busy body work in sustaining the declining economy- they insead just get the basic rations everyone else gets. We don’t need a million social workers in a society that can just print out checks from fake money and send it to everyone. But those state workers are the mainstream of the intellectual movement of the democratic party. We can fire them and stagnate just as easily as with them… but that hurts their pockets.
Both the Democratic intellectuals (the government employees) and Republicans (wealth farmers) are farming wealth, and it’s not productive, it’s hurting the overall economy- and both are useless to a sane and sustainable society. Both need to take a good look at themselves, study themselves, and reinvest back into society. Start businesses, and make the poor and hopeless sustainable, self sufficient, and most of all, suspicious of government schemes and get rich quick schemes.
Most importantly, we gotta stop this Messiah Complex in viewing Obama on the left. Drop the claims of racism, and get on with our lives. We’re a democracy, not a despotism. This is absurd, we gotta grow up intellectually. If we remain this way, we’ll end up as a despotism in a very real and brutal way. Printng out more and more money has been proven in modern times, Tanzania and the Warsaw Republic, to be very very bad… and only increases in speed until the point where you gotta have a wheel barrow full of bills to pay for simple items. Only way Obama can control this aspect of the results of his plans is to control the Who, How, and Where of work. Literally… even if your business isn’t able to survive- such as a bakery… you’ll have to continue to work, because he’ll have to order you to… even though it’s impossible to do so because you can’t afford the goods, because your money is now worth as much as a sheet of toilet paper. He can only get that bakery working by forcing the supplies from unwilling suppliers. Those supplies, and the sequencing from every dependent step after that, will have to be controlled. It will be a economy of control and stipulation.
The US has done this before- NIRA
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_I … covery_Act
It resulted in the lamest Fascist State in the western world during the Roosevelt era… he was elected FOUR times. He left office by dying. Everyone was deeply dependent upon him. It makes certain service industries such as telecommunications industry work less competitively… literally, near everyone will have ‘internet access’ and ‘phone access’ because the government will control (but not own) the means to such industries, and remarkably enough, the businesses are very compliant with the loss of revenues through the security they gain, and the shared monopoly they reap- not to mention not having to hate their rivals, becoming friends, as they are no longer rivals. However, it encourages a overall decline in the economy, as business can’t go from small to large, and the average person has next to no hope of getting into business. It’s absurd to imagine anyone starting new business, seeking new opprotunities in such a system today given how many rules and legislation control everything now. No wealth… banks controled by the state, and you got a business plan? Best of luck. End result is a increasingly less compentent work force (given the people who knew how to make those bussinesses work in the first place are pushed out), a emphasis on government lead management more interested in playing to the government’s tune than seeking to become for self sufficient and fit. Soviets acknowledged at a very early stage this essential problem in encouraging innovation of design and process. They came out with a entire literary genra making factory workers and managers who fought for cost saving innovation heros. They had banners for production, and medals awarded for superior leadership. Thier system collapsed in a shit heap, and even in todays enviroment where they are hurting worst than us they won’t go back to the old system.
This should tell us something. Don’t go the inflationary path of the Warsaw Republic. Be realistic, and don’t seek out mythical safe bets such as gold or silver or gypsie public hairs. Invest in sound economics, expain to people why it’s sound, encourage them to better themselves in engadge in it. Tell them to be suspicious of government dependency, and try like hell to be sulf sustaining, and independent… aloof and suspicious of what messiah politicians tell you. Don’t put everyone into a massive block. If they don’t vote for your political party- unless they are the KKK or Nazi party expressly saying racism, don’t accure half the population of racism if they are merely noting your making unjustified accusations of racism targeted at them. That’s absurd. It’s retarded. Most importantly of all, FUCK POLITICAL PARTIES. They are bad news. We have football teams in every major city across the country, if you wanna have a group feel for something, get involve in supporting a local sports team. Stop it with life long dedication to parties and political figures, you have self interests, look after them for yourself. Don’t let others tell you what’s important to you. But please, once you figure out what’s important, study it’s genesis indepth. How does it actually come into being? How does it sustain itself
Smears doesn’t read posts over 500 words.
Nicely done again, but why don’t you just put him on your unfreind list instead of having to post 500 words to get the sod to ignore you? Seems much easier? 
The Western Oil firms are still in Iraq. That this does not benefit, for the most part, the lowly citizens of the US is not a sign that the war went badly, because benefitting them was never the intent of the war. The war was used to shift enormous taxpayer funds to a relatively small number of very large corporations - to support the military, to restore Iraq, etc. - to make more of the world a controlled part of the kind of capitalism those who set up that war want, to keep tensions high in the world…and so on. The Iraq war worked perfectly, given the goals. But your response to Smears is correct, it certainly did not help the bulk of the US.
Iraq is going to cost you far more than you could ever get back, I don’t see this. Now that fracking is going on you will be self sufficient in oil soon. What the hell was it all for? Profit I doubt it, you just fucked up.
Hmm Iran, since you gave them nuclear reactors, so that they would avoid using fossil fuels I don’t buy this, they now are making use of nuclear power to avoid using their fuel resources, that you claim is to make nuclear weapons that even your own CIA denies. The US is getting oil out of Iran, any benefit out of operation Ajax, I doubt it?
Don’t get me wrong all countries make bad choices, but trying to explain them via capitalism is not going to work. Sometimes your country is just stupid, welcome to the human race.
I do agree though with your tension motivations, I just think it went badly wrong.
Operation Ajax was a tragedy, but it wasn’t just the CIA. Great Britain wanted their oil as well. It may have been the actual start of the ME tensions with the Western World. The loss of Mohammed Mossadegh went against everything the US was supposed to have stood for and it sent Iran into the clutches of the Ayatollahs, which turned a budding democracy into a theocrisy. It was also over 50 yrs ago–which isn’t to say it shouldn’t be remembered for what it was. It should be. And the world is still feeling the effects.
Now things have changed–but the US, imm, is still going for the black gold–and still in the wrong way. The energy business (read oil companies) still have control. Despite our oil reserves, we’re like Iran–we don’t want to use our own reserves. So the energy business has introduced ‘fracking’ in order to extract domestic crude from shale and sand. Do we really have any idea what the cost, in the long run, will be to the environment? I don’t think so. Do we have any idea of what it costs to extract and refine crude as the result of ‘fracking?’ Does the average consumer even care?
In the meantime, any research and investment that might lead to alternative power sources are given short shrift–because it’s not a part of the established energy business and it could leave coal miners out of jobs. Because alternative power sources would lead to huge cuts in revenue to the energy business.
Sorry, this isn’t a ‘fiscal cliff.’ This is a scare tactic used by the very wily corporations against the very gullible US consumers, softened as they have been by constant advertising and a ‘throw away mentality’, to fall into the same old ‘trap’ of fear–the most basic of all human emotions.
It’s humiliating.
Interesting post. I am aware that it was what is now known as BP that went cap in hand to America for help with the Iranian problem, should never of set up a democracy then. 
Iranians especially those of an older generation to this day trust the English less than the US.
And actually the beginnings of the troubles reside with England too, promises were made to Feisel that granted “Palestinians” control over the Trans-Jordan Palestine, something they later reneged on. This caused an uprising and ill feeling towards the UK, the UN suggested a partition plan and did not even invite the Palestinians who had already refused it and the rest is history. It does start earlier with zionism in the 19th century but it all really kicked off when treaties were broken. As always it’s political complicated, there was a secret treaty that later became readilly known, called the Balfour treaty. The fact is we lacked honour when we broke our promises that in return for aid in the 1st world war against the Ottomans, we would grant official land concessions to territory we hoped to own.
Neither Isareal nor Iraq has anything to do with the fiscal cliff. I know the US is fraking- it’s fraking here where I live. It’s mostly aimed at natural gas in the US, not oil.
Fiscal Cliff is real. It’s not something we just invented, it’s been around for thousands of years, and many pretty bad ass empires and very smart nations have succummed to it. It’s known pretty damn well the reasons why it happens… desires to do things outstips capacity to pay people to do them. Every socity that succummed to it thought just like Liz they were smart enough to of figured it out. They ended up doing absurd things, like imprisoning alchemists at the threat of death to make gold from base elements, or more commonly- invade thier neighbors.
I assure you, there is plenty of oil in Alaska. I had to patrol that stupid fucking pipeline occasionally when stationed up there. The enviromental impact is extremely negliable… I saw the expanse… nothing but gravel for thousands of miles, and the pipeline was extremely narrow in relation to the expanse. It’s like trying to flood roof of a house by leaving letting the bathtub overflow… it will have to flood everything inside and outside of the house up to the rooftop level before the water ever makes damage. People don’t grasp how much area there is in Alaska- how small the width of the pipeline is, and how dead over half that pipeline actually is. The oil is a small factor in this- it would cause Alaska to boom, and the shipping industry in the northeast… but not much else. Alaska is a isolated economy, and is quite conservative in it’s outlook. They have microeconomics as their first concern, as their economy in terms of major industry isn’t macroeconomics beyond approving and taxing the hell out of mining and energy resources, and the stuff they mine glitters, so the Aussies and Brits who mine there don’t complain.
Alaska has very little to do with this. Is it wise- fuck yeah, use our own oil. Long term, strategically however… it’s kinda wise to use the oil of people we don’t get along with first before touching our own. This way, once they are out… we still got our own, and they gotta rely on us.
The international oil market is quite fluid, any country can buy from any country, Europe gets it from North Africa more than we do… because the line of logistics BOTH WAYS is less. In the case of the middle east… we got access because we were so FAR AWAY and the least imperialistic of the major powers during the Arab Uprising during WW1. Our role value wise increased overtime because we became a major power since then (largely unexpectantly). Arabs know- even when I was in Iraq, that we honestly didn’t want to colonize that shithole. None of us are going back and setting up a ranch in the Anbar desert, spitting chaw juice on the grown, singing the theme to Raw Hide while we ride our camels hurding up our goats. They knew ultimately they had control over the oil, all we could do was bomb the fuck out of production… and they clearly had no issues with it squirting everywhere into the dead desert sitting on their asses. The only compromise was them getting a shitload of cash out of it in the end. Every other mission we had was making sure they were actually building shit with the credits we gave them- such as water filtration plants, or roads, or new schools or public buildings, and not spending it on goat fucking parties and bombing one another. The other half of the missions was scouting out who was bombing who- which usually just resulted in us watching those goat fucking parties with night vision goggles. Good times… good times.
It’s very important everyone studies history… what happens when a govenrment runs out of money. What happens when a currency runs out of value and has to repeatedly print new fake money. This is what produced the NAZI Party… the collapse of the Weimar Republic. Liz is playing chicken with a force of nature… and I assure you, you call the economy’s bluff, we’ll all lose.
There is a good book on the internet, a classic on Economics:
youtube.com/watch?v=F5G0EMz4fU8
Please, Dear God… stop relying on your worthless, diplomamill educations… and read something more indepth. We’re debating like severely impaired idiots here. We don’t have a grasp on what a fiscalcliff is, or inflation… if your saying absurd shit like it’s all fear mongering and a bluff. Holy fucking shit people… entire societies have collapsed because of this shit. Recent ones at that- very strong and rational ones. The fear reaction COMES AFTER the damn fiscal cliff… once it hits everyone that ‘money’ you have in your pocket ain’t worth shit. Who’s gonna go to work once they realize they are working for nothing? At that, how many of you are going to keep your jobs, or your savings once it all goes down the drain? Once we rely on the idea we can just print out more and more… the stuff will lose it’s value faster than we can ever produce it. Obama can jack the worth of every dollar to a trillion dollars… and it will still be worth nothing.
Will the chinese accept our worthless currency? Will the europeans? Will the japs? Perhaps… when they buy out our industries during banctruptcy to get their books, tear up the factories, leaving us with nothing. It’s absolute insanity.
How many of you have survival skills? Liz… have you ever killed and gutted a animal before? Ask some russians online what life was like whenever Russia collapsed it’s currency… alot of people had nothing… for years.
There is no outcome that results in more fairness- beyond making literally everyone paupers.
This is fucking retarded in the extreme. Everyone calling the fiscal cliff’s bluff needs to be nominated for a Darwin Award. Please do not reproduce. Might as well go call the bluff that riot police aren’t gonna use riot gas on you when you start rioting when everything goes shit down the drain. We won’t have very many corporations once we start down this decline more rapidly… most won’t stay liquid… many will implode… unemployment will skyrocket… and you fools will be protesting in largely empty financial sectors, fighting against the man you helped put out of business. They won’t be able to employ anyone if they can’t employ people. Jobs just don’t magically appear out of nothing.
When Benjamin Franklin designed our currency and the theory of debt it was based on… it was always based on divisions of tangible assets. It has justification in and of itself. The goal was always to keep it worth something, so businesses would trade… yes, those evil fucking businesses. That’s what your currency is. It still is. It’s not something else… BUT THAT. It’s the only reason why people want to trade with us, accepting our currency in exchange. No government can consistently maintain adherence to a fiat currency unless the businesses in that economy fundamentally accepts it. We live in a global economy, but a highly, highly intergrated one. Businesses across the globe accept the taxes, and gives value to the currency on the basis of how rational it is to them. They lose faith… the effects behave epistemi- it hits everyone at pretty much the same time that the wads of cash… your bills in the bank… are fucking worthless.
It’s very, very important that we fix this now. We’re not gonna fix it however… cause you all failed horribly in your educations. Admit it… your all horrifically stupid. So stupid, you take pride in your bad ideas, thinking they are great. It feels good to find others who agree with it… what great times your having, huh? Shit… you figured it out… you got money in the bank, degrees on your wall, kids… you don’t cause people problems. Life never changed that much in the past… and everyone else is doing it. What’s the harm?
The harm is everyone else is doing it. We’re not paying attention anymore. We’ve become increasingly isolated from how money- how wealth, actually comes into existence. Our pioneer ancestors didn’t have this misunderstanding. They had to live without money… finding through scavaging, hunting, growing their food- shaping their houses, breaking in the land. They had to figure out how to organize a society. They had to travel hundreds of miles, across mountains and plains, to sell their best wares to get more complex wares from people far, far away- in other countries. That’s what money is… where it comes from. People make product A in this location… and it goes to location B. Those evil businesses… their lust for money… IT’S FUCKING THE POINT! They only exist for the money… they gotta invest in manufacturing, land, logistics, and selling the product. You gotta pay all those middle men… WE ARE THOSE MIDDLE MEN.
In a capitalist country… the people are the middle men. Businesses do indeed have a lot of influence… as they are the primary source of taxation. Their businessmen make some of the best and most competent leaders in their society… because they know how to make things work.
Now… if everyone deeply desires to come join me in a Cynic lifestyle… if you think it’s that awesome… then please… continue calling the fiscal cliff’s bluff. Pretend to be amazed at the consequences that occure over the next few years. Fuck no… I want you to say that… say ‘fuck no, it’s not our fault… we’re very good, educated people who deserve better. We didn’t cause this mess. We didn’t take out the shitty housing mortgages, Smears didn’t take out a shitload of educational loans he fully expects to be bailed out from. Liz isn’t sitting on a few million dollars meant for a water fund for a neighborhood that doesn’t exist. Fuck no… this isn’t out problem. It’s them… the businessmen!’ I want you to behave like anti-semetic europeans during the thirties throwing rocks into businesses in protest. I want you to watch flabbergasted as those businesses fold in seeming protest, not following with your demands.
It’s all good for me. Worst comes to worst… I’ll have more rank than most of you in a draft… and a shinny set of airborne wings. I’ll have status in the future society you all so eagerly seek. Or, I’ll be more aware in how to survive when the Bulls in the trainyard try to break your legs when your clumsly jumping trains. During the breat depression, it got to the point they would just shoot your ass for trying to ride the rails looking for work around the country.
Having oil is great… having energy is great… but does nothing in and of itself. I found a shitload of Crown Oil cans in Iraq… didn’t make the powerplant work any better sitting there in the heat. We need sound business, sound economics… and it’s too much to expect a sound and educated population- but for heaven’s sake, you philosophers… there is a higher standard expected of you. Listen to the audiobook link… it’s now used as a textbook in several ivory league schools, it’s foundational to a understanding of economics. This crap you guys wrote above… it’s voodoo. It’s deeply scary, it’s idiotic, and it’s suicidal. It’s not who we are, it’s not how our system works, and the president isn’t in much of a position to make changes to the overall system itself. Most he can do is freeze wages for a short time, or change what our monetary standard is based on. Unfortunately for him (not that it would of made much of a difference, the above would happen anyway, faster) there are a lot of safeguards built in preventing meddling with it, after the expeirences with the European Fascist- the course we took in that era… and Nixon’s change of the standard. What are we going to base our currency on if not gold or debt? Magic? Pearls? Wishes? Will your grocery store accept your hard currency based on Obama’s Wishes? Will the Chinese stock your fish isle with fishes bought with our Obama Wish-Bucks? You go to Shanghai and tell them your desire to buy stuff with monopoly dollars. See how much business they do. Try it with Cuba… they’ll only do it with stipulations of hard assets and prefered trade rights… they are communist but not retarded, they know well the disadvantages of funny money, and how people screw with them for trying to use it… they know every trick in the book and will use it against us.
Get reading, and stop bitching. Your not in a position to argue this subject yet. Pick up some classics in history, and read a couple of economy books. Start with the free one I gave you. Google it on Amazon to see if it’s legit. Quit it with this… this… just quit being you and grow up. Unless of course you want me to rise in class status in relationship to you. You want me to be your drill sargent Smears? You wanna live in a ditch with Joker Liz? If not… you might not have much of a choice, but the choice is your on climbing out. Read. Read. Read. Read. Read. Read. No more bullshit… just fucking read. Turn your tv off and read. Just read. The stuff you have read in the past has failed you. Yur wort than stupid, because a stupid person knows enough to trust smart people. You think you are smart… filled with stupid ideas. So start over again. Just read. Explain to your community why everything is going down the drain. Just fucking read… learn… read… learn, occasionally look around, placing the abstract to the concrete reality around you, ask questions from those in the know… then read.
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