Before I post the purpose of this thread I think it necessary to post the following rule:
‘We are a community first, and as a community we must maintain a level of tolerance and politeness. A community based on the exchange of ideas cannot persist when individuals are attacked as individuals for the ideas they express. Anything that inhibits the community will prevent us from our purposes.’
My position is that the current sociological understanding of the forces of social evolution are scientific and that scientific paradigms are not Gospel truth.
It is my position that the forces of social evolution are in essence supernatural, that science cannot define them, and that a perfect society is inevitable as ordained by God.
If something exists then that is the basis for determining that God ordained it. If something exists, then something created it, logically it can be no other way.
What created a super complex and powerful God? If he always existed why isn’t it more reasonable to assume less complex things like a universe always existed?
Human progress has been fast recently before that it was static for over 99% of our existance. On top of that it was environmental pressures that made it come about. If its inevitable why’d it take so long? Why only when environmental situations deemed neccessary did it happen?
A) Nothing created God, He has always existed. The universe has likewise also existed. The creator and the creation have always existed.
B) Static? Don’t think so. In 6000 years we have developed from running about half-naked with no fire to landing on the moon. How is that even remotely static?
C) I am open to your point of view. What is the evidence that environmental pressures were not created by God?
D) A couple of million years is not a long time. Any geologist will tell you this.
E) What is the link between the environmental pressures and Human progress in your view I’m interested to know.
Yes since agriculture we have done amazing things. Since agriculture is less than 1% of human history its compelling but for thousands and thousands of years human ‘progression’ didn’t much exist. For 99%+ of our history progress beyond the spear was a dream.
You’re asking me for evidence against something. I’m not responding to that politely, so please if you don’t realize why its absurdly stupid don’t ask.
99% of human history whether its ten days or 3billion years is irrelevant. Whats relevant is for that time frame 99%+ progress didn’t notably exist.
lol so you think god let humans stagnate for 99% of our species existance, then BAM invented agriculture just when population levels started rising and humans needed more food than the hunter/gatherer lifestyle can provide for a group? (a bit simplistic but still)
OK so I think you’re backing up my point of view that progress has been ‘compelling’.
I’m not absurdly stupid and I have evidence to back that up. You have not evidenced your point of view.
For the whole time humanity has existed it has been evolving. To say that progress didn’t exist is just plain wrong.
History of Man
Ardipithicus ramidus 5 to 4 million years ago
Australopithecus anamensis 4.2 to 3.9 million years ago
Australopithecus afarensis 4 to 2.7 million years ago
Australopithecus africanus 3 to 2 million years ago
Australopithecus robustus 2.2 to 1.6 million years ago
Homo habilis 2.2 to 1.6 million years ago
Homo erectus 2.0 to 0.4 million years ago
Homo sapiens archaic 400 to 200 thousand years ago
Homo sapiens neandertalensis 200 to 30 thousand years ago
Homo sapiens sapiens 200 thousand years ago to present
‘stagnate’ when did I say that? Where are your assumptions coming from?
So was it coincidence that humans developed agriculture just when they needed it? Or do you not think that human evolution had something to do with it? In otherwords human social progress.
History of men not man for one. Secondly wtf does that have to do with anything? For 99% of 200thousand years humans didn’t progress past the spear, its compelling that in a couple thousand years humans have invented so much (not compelling for your claims) but hopelessly uninspiring otherwise. 99% is a long time to use spears.
If you want to include direct human ancestors 99%+ moves from 200thousand to millions, even less impressive.
Nope wrong again. ‘Man’ can indeed function as a collective noun. I understand this will cause chaos in certains men’s minds. Such is the nature of Man.
Um… the Forces of Social Evolution are a subcategory of the evolution of Man.
Spears got better.
Yeah I know.
Seems to be the popular opinion.
Not really when you look at how little space human history takes up in the ‘history of the universe’. 1% of the time is an extremely short time to develop so much.
How does length of time disprove anything to do with my actual point of view anyway?