THE "GOD" THAT NEVER WAS

THE “GOD” THAT NEVER WAS

Islam is the only religion which teaches the existence of a PERFECT God. A
perfect God means that there is no sharer in His Nature and His Attributes:

“Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth
not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.” (Holy Qur’an,
112:1-4)

There has appeared a man in Benoni. He is not qualified in theology, but is
fondly cherishing the self-delusion that he is an apostle of Christ,
appointed by God to convert Muslims to Christianity. Because he is a lawyer
by profession, he is adept at juggling with words and quoting the Holy Qur’an
totally out of context without knowing a word of Arabic. He wants Muslims to
believe that Jesus was also a God, a belief that is abhorrent to us, because
it is an antithesis of the Absolute perfection of Allah Subhaanahoo Wa Ta
'Aala!

Thus intent upon reversing the process of Truth, which is: “And say: The
Truth has come and falsehood vanished. Surely falsehood is ever bound to
vanish.” (Qur’an, 17:81). In this he will never succeed because the process
of Truth is irreversible.

TWO REASONS

He has given two reasons to prove that Jesus is God, viz: (i) “When we say
Jesus is deity (or even God for that matter), we do not make him the Father!
He is one with the Father and therefore HE SHARES HIS NATURE”, and (ii) “HE
IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE THE FATHER but he is not the Father”.

In short, according to him, Jesus is God because He SHARES THE NATURE OF GOD,
and HE IS IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. These two reasons given by him to prove the
divinity of Jesus are so puerile that they speak volumes of his legal
training.

Numerous quotations from the Bible are given below to prove that Jesus
neither SHARED THE NATURE OF GOD, nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. He can,
therefore, NEVER be GOD. We have given the quotations from the Bible without
comment, because the Bible speaks for itself! TO SAY THAT JESUS IS GOD OR SON
OF GOD IS NOT ONLY A MOCKERY OF GODHOOD, BUT BLASPHEMY OF THE LOWEST ORDER
AND AND INSULT TO THE INTELLIGENCE OF MEN! (Note: Unless otherwise stated,
all quotations from the Bible are given from the Authorized Version. In our
headings and subheadings we have referred to Jesus as “God” in inverted
commas in order to show the ABSURDITY of the claim of this man that Jesus is
God!)

THE BIRTH OF “GOD”

“God” was created from the seed of David: “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ
our Lord, which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh.”
(Romans, 1:3)

“God” was the fruit of the loins of David: “Therefore being a prophet, and
knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his
loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his
throne.” (Acts, 2:30)

The Ancestors of “God”: “The generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David,
the son of Abraham.” (Matthew, 1:1)

The Sex of “God”: “And when eight days were accomplished for the
circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus.” (Luke, 2:21)

How Mary Conceived and Delivered “God”. Mary conceived Jesus like any other
woman: “The days were accomplished that she should be delivered,” (Luke,
2:6) which means that she went through all the normal stages of pregnancy.
Nor was her delivery any different from other expectant mothers: “And she
being with child cried, travelling in birth, and pained to be delivered.”
(Revelation, 12:2)

“God” Sucked The Paps of a Woman: “And it came to pass, as he spake these
things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto
him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast
sucked.” (Luke, 11:27)

The Country of Origin of “God”: "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in
the days of Herod the king. (Matthew, 2:1)

The Occupation of “God”: “Jesus was a carpenter by trade.” (Mark, 6:3),
“and the son of a carpenter.” (Matthew, 13:55)

The Transport of “God”: “Behold, thy king cometh unto thee, meek, and
sitting upon an ass.” (Matthew, 21:5) “And Jesus, when he had found a young
ass, sat thereon.” (John, 12:14)

The Wining and Dining of “God”: “The Son of man came eating and drinking,
and they say, behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of
publicans and sinners.” (Matthew, 11:9; Luke, 7:34)

The Poverty of “God”: “And Jesus saith unto him, the foxes have holes, and
the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his
head.” (Matthew, 8:20)

The Meagre Possessions of “God”: “Shoes of Jesus” (Luke, 3:16), “Garments
and coat of Jesus” (John, 19:23)

“God” Was a Devout Jew: “And in the morning, rising up a great while before
day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.”
(Mark, 1:35)

“God” Was a Loyal Subject: Jesus was a good citizen, he was loyal to Caesar.
He said: “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and
unto God the things that are God’s.” (Matthew, 22:21) He paid his tax
regularly. (Matthew, 17:24-27)

THE FAMILY OF “GOD”

“God” Was the Son of Joseph: “Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him,
we have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write,
Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph” (John, 1:45)

Brothers and Brothers-in-law of “God”: "And when he was come into his own
country, he taught them in their
synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, whence hath this man
this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is
not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and
Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence hath
this man all these things? (Matthew, 13:54-56)

THE DEVELOPMENT OF “GOD”

Spiritual Development of “God”: “And the child grew, and waxed strong in
spirit, filled with wisdom.” (Luke, 2:40)

Mental, Physical and Moral Development of “God”: “And Jesus increased in
wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.” (Luke, 2:52)

“God” Was 12 Years Old When His Parents Took Him to Jerusalem: “Now his
parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. And when
he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the
feast.” (Luke, 2:41-42)

The Powerless “God” (Jesus) said: “I can of mine own self do nothing.”
(John, 5:30)

“God” Was Ignorant of the Time. Jesus said: “But of that day and that hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but
the Father.” (Mark, 13:32)

“God” Was Ignorant of the Season: “And on the morrow, when they were come
from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry: and seeing a fig tree afar off having
leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when
he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not
yet.” (Mark, 11:12-13)

“God” Was Unlettered: “Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into
the temple, and taught. And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man
letters, having never learned?” (John, 7:14-15)

“God” Learnt Through Experience: “Learned he obedience by the things which
he sufered.” (Hebrews, 5:8)

THE TEMPTING OF “GOD”

The Devil Tempted “God” For 40 Days: “And immediately the spirit driveth him
into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted
of Satan.” (Mark, 1:12-13)

The Devil Tempted “God” Continuously: “And when the devil had ended all the
temptation, he departed from him for a season.” (Luke, 4:13)

Like the Sinners, “God” Was Tempted In All Things: “But (he) was in all
points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews, 4:15)

True God Cannot be Tempted With Evil: “God cannot be tempted with evil,
neither tempteth he any man.” (James,
1:13)

Only The Ungodly Are Tempted With Evil: “But every man is tempted, when he
is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.” (James, 1:14)

THE MISSION OF “GOD”

The Confession and Repentance of “God”: before the beginning of his public
ministry: “Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist” (Matthew, 3:13), “which
signified the confession of sins” (Matthew, 3:6), "and repentance from sins
(Matthew, 3:11).

“God” Did Not Come to Save the Sinners: “And when he was alone, they that
were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto
them, unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but
unto them that without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing
they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not
understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should
be forgiven them.” (Mark, 4:10-12)

THE RACIAL “GOD”

“God” Was a Tribal Jew: “The lion of the tribe of Juda.” (Revelation, 5:5)

“God” Came For The Jews Only: “But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew, 15:24)

Racial Discrimination of “God”: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and
commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any
city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel.” (Matthew, 10:5-6)

According to “God”, The Gentiles Are Dogs: “It is not meet to take the
children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.” (matthew, 15:26)

The Kingdom of “God”: And he (Jesus) shall reign over THE HOUSE OF JACOB for
ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end." (Luke, 1:33)

The Titles of “God”: “The king of the Jews” (Matthew, 2:2), “The king of
Israel” (John, 1:49; 12:13)

A “GOD” UNLIKE THE GOD

A Hungry “God”: “And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was
afterward an hungered.” (Matthew 4:2), “Now in the morning as he returned
into the city, he hungered.” (Matthew, 21:18), “and on the
morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry.” (Mark, 11:12)

A Thirsty “God”: “(He) saith, I thirst.” (John, 19:28)

A Sleepy “God”: “He was asleep.” (Matthew, 8:24), “He fell asleep” (Luke,
8:23), “And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow.”
(Mark, 4:38)

A Weary “God”: Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on
the well." (John, 4:6)

A Groaning “God”: “He groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.” (John,
11:33), “Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave.”
(John, 11:38)

A Weeping “God”: “Jesus wept.” (John, 11:35)

A Sorrowing “God”: “And (he) began to be sorrowful and very heavy.” (Matthew
26:37). “Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto
death.” (Matthew, 26:38)

A Hysterical “God”: “And (he) began to be soreamazed and to be very heavy.”
(Mark, 14:33)

A Weak “God”: “And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven,
strengthening him.” (Luke, 22:43)

THE WARRING “GOD”

The Strong-Arm Method of “God”: “And he went into the temple, and began to
cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought.” (Luke, 19:45). “And
the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in
the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of
money sitting: and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them
all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the
changers’ money, and overthrew the tables.” (John, 2:13-15)

The “God” of War: Jesus said: “Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Matthew, 10:34)

The Sabre-Rattling “God”: Jesus said: “And he that hath no sword, let him
sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke, 22:36)

The “GOD” ON THE RUN

“God” Was Panic-Stricken: “After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for
he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.” (John, 7:1)

“God” Walked in Fear of the Jews: “Then from that day forth they took
counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more
openly among the Jews.” (John, 11:53-54)

“God” Has Shown a Clean Pair of Heels: “Therefore they sought again to take
him: but he escaped out of their hand.” (John, 10:39)

“God” Fled in Disguise: “Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus
hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and
so passed by.” (John, 8:59)

THE CAPTURE OF “GOD”

A Friend Betrayed the Secret Hiding Place of “God”: “And Judas also, which
betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus off-times resorted thither with his
disciples. Judas then, having received a band of man and officers from the
chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and
weapons.” (John, 18:2-3)

“God” Was Arrested, Bound and Led Away: “Then the band and the captain and
officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him, and led him away.” (John,
18:12-13)

“God” Was Humiliated: “And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote
him. And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face.”
(Luke, 22:63-64). “Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and
others smote him with the palms of their hands.” (Matthew, 26:67)

“God” Was Defenseless: “One of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with
the palm of his hand”, he said: “Why smitest thou me?” (John, 18:22-23)

“God” Was Condemned to Death: “And they all condemned him to be guilty of
death.” (Mark, 14:64). “They answered and said, he is guilty of death.”
(Matthew, 26:66)

The Dumb and Docile “God”: “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like
a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth.” (Acts, 8:32)

THE SUPPOSED END OF “GOD”

The Dying “God”: “And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.”
(Mark, 15:37)

The “God” That Was Supposed Dead and Defunct: “Christ died.” (Romans, 5:6).
“He was dead”. (John, 19:33)

The Supposed Corpse of “God”: “he (Joseph of Arimathaea) went to Pilate, and
begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.”
(Matthew, 27:58)

The Shroud of “God”: “And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a
clean linen cloth.” (Matthew, 27:59)

The Orbituary of The Late And Lamented “God”: “Now when the centurion saw
what was done, he glorified God, saying, certainly this was a righteous man.”
(Luke, 23:47)

EPILOGUE

According to this self-appointed apostle of Christ, Jesus is God because: (i)
“HE SHARED THE NATURE OF GOD”, and (ii) because “IN EVERY WAY HE IS LIKE
GOD”. But according to the quotations of the Bible given above, we find that
Jesus did neither SHARE THE NATURE OF GOD nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD.
He is, therefore, definitely NOT God! The onus to prove that Jesus is God
now rests with this Christian. Either he must prove that Jesus is God, or he
must admit that he is a polytheist, i.e., a believer in more than one God.
WITH ALL THE TRICKS AND VERBAL LEGERDEMAIN OF HIS PROFESSION, HE WILL NEVER
BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT JESUS IS GOD!!

He and his fellow-preachers in Christ, will never succeed in convincing the
Muslims that Jesus was anything other than a natural man and a prophet of
God, sent unto the house of Israel to bear the good news of the coming of the
KINGDOM OF GOD, which prophecy was fulfilled with the advent of the Holy
Prophet Muhammed (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wa Sallam)!

Ehh…Tomato, Tomahto…

i feel sorry for all those lectures you’ve been reading 9/10 most of them are lies so is the “god” yourshowing truth like i showed in another thread you need negative to get positive lies to get truth eneimes to become friends it all dpeneds on you though it’z your life so make the best of it you can and this site not only prooves your existence but flexis the power of “divinity”.

i think WOW is out of date…lol

The reality is that early Islam was very indebted to Hellenic philosophy (Aristotle in particular.) Where as Judaism/Christianity was “building” upon foundations laid by people who we moderns would perceive to be almost as barbaric/paganistic in their mentality as any other ancient people, Islam started with a (sort of) “clean slate”. No cherished, millenia old lore from ages past, from a time when “Yahweh” (and his exploits!) was understood and sung about much the way Jupiter, Zeus, Mars, Odin, etc. were by other cultures - basically as a being somewhat like you and I, just bigger, older, and unfathomably more powerful. Islam didn’t have to deal with that baggage - why? Because it’s sacred book was concocted by a relatively limited list of authors, and shortly thereafter subjected to some pretty tight editing - and by men who were fundamentally “post-Hellenic”, thus able to reap the benefit of all of those lofty thoughts about divinity, “the first cause”, attributes of “God”, etc. and more or less edit out the unflattering stuff (though Islam doesn’t totally avoid this anthropomorphism.)

IOW., I don’t see the “superiority” of the “Quranic presentation of God” as being much of an accomplishment. Frankly, I’d sooner give Plato, Zeno of Citrium, Aristotle, Chrysippus, Plontinus, etc. more of the credit for any of that than Muhammed and his scribes.

I think we’ve found the muslim version of Pinnacle of Reason…

me 2 lol :smiley:

Lets do a simple thing… :laughing:

If you see :astonished: somthing you are not sure :unamused: about it,

what are you going to do?

For sure you will analysis and test this thing.

Lets TEST the Qur"an???

islamic-awareness.org/Quran/

greek to egypt that transpotation is wrong plus i doubt god can match his powers to those before him like zeus,horus,isis,etc plus he seems like a selfish omnipotent being.

[size=200]Allah (God)[/size]

Islam is the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). The name Allah (God) in Islam never refers to Muhammad (peace be upon him), as many Christians may think; Allah is the personal name of God.

What do Muslims believe about Allah?

  1. He is the one God, Who has no partner.

  2. Nothing is like Him. He is the Creator, not created, nor a part of His creation.

  3. He is All-Powerful, absolutely Just.

  4. There is no other entity in the entire universe worthy of worship besides Him.

  5. He is First, Last, and Everlasting; He was when nothing was, and will be when nothing else remains.

  6. He is the All-Knowing, and All-Merciful,the Supreme, the Sovereign.

  7. It is only He Who is capable of granting life to anything.

  8. He sent His Messengers (peace be upon them) to guide all of mankind.

  9. He sent Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last Prophet and Messenger for all mankind.

  10. His book is the Holy Qur’an, the only authentic revealed book in the world that has been kept without change.

  11. Allah knows what is in our hearts.

These are some of the basic guidelines Muslims follow in their knowledge of God:

  1. Eliminate any anthropomorphism (human qualities) from their conception of Allah. His attributes are not like human attributes, despite similar labels or appellations.

  2. Have unwavering faith in exactly what Allah and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) described Allah to be, no more, no less.

  3. Eradicate any hope or desire of learning or knowing the modality of His names and attributes.

  4. Believe totally in all the names and attributes of Allah; one cannot believe in some and disbelieve the others.

  5. One cannot accept the names of Allah without their associated attributes, i.e. one cannot say He is Al-Hayy - ‘The Living’ and then say that He is without life.

  6. Similarity in names (or meanings) does not imply similarity in what is being described (referents). As a robotics arm differs from a human arm, so the “hand” of Allah is nothing like a human hand, His speech is nothing like human speech, etc.

  7. Certain words are ambiguous or vague in their meanings, and thus may be susceptible to misinterpretation. Only those meanings that are in accordance with what is specified by Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) are acceptable.

WoW

[size=150]Some of the biggest misconceptions that many non-Muslims have about Islam have to do with the word “Allah”. Many people have come to believe that Muslims worship a different God than Christians and Jews. [/size]

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