The "holy" Roman Empire & the Celtic Tribes

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The power of disgust goes a long way. It always has done. For corrupt Politicians in ancient rome,using the power of disgust was just as powerful a tool for manipulating the public into agreeing with a military campaign,overseen by leaders who concealed their real,extremely wicked intentions,as it was for hitler in WW2, when he tricked most of Germany into hating the Jews

Children are taught in school,that it was greece and rome,which gave us all that is refined and civilized in the west,whereas outside of their civilizations were the bad people,the barbarians,who had to be slaughtered,chrisitianized,civilized. But what did the romans ever do for us,really ?

As historians have now revealed,during the time of julius caesar,the Celtic tribes had in operation over 400 gold & silver mines,scattered across europe. Caesar was looking to kill two birds with the one stone,to launch his career as brilliant military leader by slaughtering thousands of celts-dirty barbarians to you and I-whilst collecting all the gold & silver they had for himself,so being able to fund the same brilliant military campaign against this uncivilized horde & distribute the rest amongst the citizens of rome,thus becoming the hero. But quite clearly,as historians have now proven, julius caesar was a Villain. It was the ancient romans,who were the real barbarian tribe.

Actually,there is evidence to show that it took around 20 years training to become a respectable druid,they were revered as exceptional healers & thinkers in celtic society. Politicians,diplomats,without the limited,emotionally stifled infrastrcuture we see present in roman society of the time actually. One fraught with considerable peril .

And there is no evidence of human sacrafice after all. What a relief, julius had us all going there for thousands of years. Instead,we see evidence of spiritual rituals performed to promote balance & harmony in the community, and a vast knowledge of astronomy. By the time the romans arrived in briton,the Celts already had a calendar in place which far surpassed their own. This is why the romans told such lies about the Celts,because It justified taking control of their wealth from them violently. Roman writers declared “The celts are Barbarians,with no understanding of anything civilized”. But,we know now they were extremely civilized,more so than the romans actually.They understood mathematics & had the capacity to think philosophically.

They had a trade empire stretching wide and far,and who should we really thank for the invention of roads in Europe? I thought it was the romans too,but no,it was the Celts. The oldest existing built road was found in Ireland,of Celtic invention.

They were extremely Civilized,engineers,pioneers,they mined for gold,silver & Iron,gathered precious stones,grew crops,had fisheries,potteries,stonemasons,carpenters,beer halls,bin men,even a starbucks & McDonalds.They were traders,importers & wholesalers,of Wine,vinegar & countless other foreign goods.

The largest existing engraved clay pot found from this period was in a Celtic burial chamber,it isnt so much the size thats impressive,but the fact the Celt it was buried alongside was a woman,who we know held sway,and was respected,as women were generally in Celtic society. Something they were not,in the roman world . These were artisans-cultured,generally well travelled people,in possession of gold,silver,art,poetry,knowledge of higher mathematics,science & astronomy. Not to mention,as the roman army found out,a ferociousness in protecting their rights as free men & women. And who could blame them.

The Celts,at a time where women,the old, & the poverty stricken in roman society were 2nd or 3rd class citizens,already had a system in place,similiar to todays where we have orphanages,homes for abused women,care for the elderly,the abandoned & mentally ill,the battle torn. A way of life initiated by Druids,spiritual leaders that were as important to Celtic life as Zen monks were to Japanese society & still are. And this is why they were singled out for attack. Druids were the heart & soul of the Celtic people.

The idea was, tear down the infrastructure and replace their Gods with romes,and they will soon forget their tribal allegiances. Gods strangely enough,which held identical views to the Roman emperor [who just loved wealth regardless of the human cost]

Roman ethos was simple,we are a Divine empire,we represent heaven,therefore,your salvation may only come through us. Now give us your wealth, and do as we say or God,in other words our emperor & his army,will wipe you out

Its the same reason why when it came to the subjugation of Tribal peoples anywhere in the world by the orthodox church, that a fundamentalist form of christianity was implemented, as a tool of war, the same people putting the new system in place were never as strict with themselves, there was always a huge deal of hypocrisy. It was used for the pacification of a naturally free spirited,tribal people,living in a democracy which placed Druids,shamans,at its core. As it was used against the native americans. A proverb of theirs states -

After their subjugation by the romans & later orthodox church, a form of christianity emerges amongst Celts, as it does amongst tribal people in places like Mexico,Africa,Haiti,Peru, which manages to cloak their traditional beliefs, to avoid incurring the wrath of the church, beliefs which closely resemble those found in Taoism & Buddhism, in its spiritual philosophy & cosmology. It is Gnosis. Something people like julius caesar & hitler were never able to completely erase.

In Canada,north & south America,shamanism thrives amongst the native community still
[their equivelant of Druidry] A people who were also victimized,lied about,physically abused & murdered.

The Tribe pow wow [shown here] , in particular,remains extremely popular. And actually, is a wonderful event,bringing people of all ages together to experience community spirit. And the Celts held very similar beliefs to the Native Indians.

But because of how history has distorted the image of the Celts [thanks to the roman chroniclers] Druidry remains a practice which is slightly taboo in Europe, especially Briton, even though its people can now choose freely which customs they adopt. People continue to see it as “a bit odd”, associated with “devil worship” -“sexual perversion” “human sacrafice”. Even though it may in fact be as useful to Europeans as Shamanism is to Native Americans, all Tribal peoples, in helping bring about security, and happiness in their communities. Where the application of rigid orthodox christian principles has not. Such is the power of disgust[/size]

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And only I have survived to tell you.

What does this lesson teach about history?

“Hail Caesar!”

Wait…

“Hail Hitler!”

No, wait…

“Hail Bush!”

There we go, we’re contemporary now…

I wonder if it’s fun being a destroyer of worlds, hmmm… :-k

What destroyed the Gauls was not Caesar, but individualism. And it happened often to the German Nations, because the Romans fought for victory, and had no sense of individual honor, so when they could narrow their front they could round robin any primitive tribe into oblivian and have time for a smoke in between. Rome had the first modern army, and the primitives never stood a chance except when they could demonstrate command of terrain and selfless cooperation for a common objective as in the Teutoberg forest defeat of Varro.

Romans never destroyed the Celtic world though, they only attacked it, because they were an uncivilized rabble that understood nothing, but Celts endured and survived their Barbarity, because they were more civilized. The fact interest in ancient Celtic culture, music, cosmology & spiritual philosophy has grown once again in Europe amongst modern Celts to the extent it has, is testimony to this. And that goes for all Tribal peoples that were attacked by the orthodox christian church too as dangerous pagans. When in fact there was no real distinction between their Gods and those in the Christian religion.

In the future, children will learn about that, romes “genius” will be remembered exactly for what it was, being able to lie, scam, manipulate, murder & cause mayhem without a 2nd thought, as long as wealth, personal gain was involved. They behaved this way precisely because they were barbarians

Did the subjugation of Native american tribes mean they were primitive, and the occupying force civilized ? Were samurai primitive because they preferred using swords over Guns ? The arms race is civilized is it ? Of course not, but then its a matter or education & perspective. Its the romans that were primitive, as there is proof of, not the Celtic tribes. And their wonderful new army got its backside kicked hard in Briton, especially Scotland, which they never controlled at all.

Being primitive is not a value judgement, but a fact. What does it matter if the celts gave real soap to the Romans? Once the church got a hold of them they prized the purity of their souls and forgot to bathe. Then the Arabs had to teach them all over again. The whole place must have smelled great; like some big ulcer fart. What do you think.

You must understand that true primitives, who were technically uncivilized had a greater need for government and social control, which, even if it were simple self control had all the basics of every pure democracy. The greatest technology in that age far removed from science was social organization, and it made survival possible on all corners of the earth. We do not realize to what extent social injustice is built upon technology, because when excess wealth is produced it becomes the cause of war, class division, and fratracide. Equality of rights flowed from the need throughout society of an equality of effort. When every hand and every mind was needed there were no second class citizens.

Celt society @ the time of Julius caesar was more civilized than roman society. The point is, people have been taught it was the other way around,when it isnt true.

If you are saying that the Celts were more civilized, it is because you do not know the condition of the Celts, or you do not know the meaning of civilization. I am part Irish, and part German, and all American. Do not forget in your defense of the Celts that they are in large part responsible for the return of cvilization and the end of the dark ages. It was a Scot who taught Carlemagne that a table separated a wise man from a fool. And that was long before anyone had a computer to put on their table. Do not give up on scholarship for yourself. Try to be free, and illustrative in your choice of words, or deadly precise.

Well said, DoL =D>

Isn’t all history up for scrutiny/debatable? The practice of culture-stealing has been going on since humans came into existence, and therefore throws most of the history of civilisation up for scrutiny anyway!

…best to believe nothing: save what we see with our own eyes.