The Impossibility Of The First 100 Decimal Places Of Pi...

Whoops - yeah mate - I got them upside down - bad on me. :blush:

Since you probably can’t correct it properly -
1/3 = 1/3 — and not 0.333…
1/3 = 4/12
1/3 = 8/24
1/3 = 30/90

1/3 is one of those very many values that has no exact decimal representation - similar to pi in that regard.

— as I just explained.

Don’t you try to rope me into your base 10 supremacy views. I’m all about equality of the bases, I know reality doesn’t function as if base10 were the objective truth. You can only troll me so hard haha

You do realize that 4/12 is 4 divided by 12, right? 4/12=.333…
You do realize that 8/24 is 8 divided by 24, right? 8/24=.333…
You do realize that 30/90 is 30 divided by 90, right? 30/90=.333…

So in every case you are saying 1/3 = .333…

Is that what you meant to say, that 1/3 = .333…??

…and here I thought you might have an ounce of integrity. I guess not! “You don’t want the truth. You can’t handle the truth!”

I don’t have the integrity to be a base 10 supremacist, sorry mate haha.

You are wrong on all of those.

So 3 people having 33 pennies with 1 penny remaining is some kind of conspiracy?? LOL

3 people, each with 33 pennies is 99 pennies, with 1 remaining penny left to be divided, for a total of 100 pennies.

That last remaining penny is not part of the 3 x 33 = 99, which is exactly why you end up with .999… and not 1.0.

…and then you go on to claim that 99 pennies = 100 pennies. That’s how ridiculous math is! Morons even!

What decimal do you think 8 divided by 24 equals?

You’re really outdoing yourself with these troll attempts my man. I’m enjoying them though

Aren’t you American? Is this like an American English thing?

What part of this doesn’t translate to American? –

1/3 of 3 is 1.0
1/3 of 6 is 2.0
1/3 of 9 is 3.0
1/3 of 12 is 4.0
1/3 of 15 is 5.0
1/3 of 18 is 6.0
1/3 of 21 is 7.0
1/3 of 24 is 8.0
1/3 of 27 is 9.0
1/3 of 30 is 10.0
1/3 of 300 is 100.0
1/3 of 600 is 200.0
1/3 of 900 is 300.00

and on and on…

So 1/3 of those numbers have exact decimals.

Care to try again?

1/3 itself – not necessarily 1/3 of something else.

“Care to try again?”

1/3 is 1 divided by 3, like 8/24 is 8 divided by 24.

You do know how to convert a fraction to a decimal, right?

1/2 is 1 divided by 2, which is .5.
1/8 is 1 divided by 8, which is .125

Guess what .125 x 8 = ??

Glad to see that you can divide but -
Try to stick to the topic.

Do you believe that 1 = 0.999…?

We keep telling you, and you keep ignoring it, that 1/3 has no decimal equivalent.

He’s not being dishonest, he’s merely telling you that 1/3 has no decimal equivalent. In other words, the language of decimals has no means of expressing what is expressed by 1/3.

And do note that your lists, that you keep posting over and over again, are of no help. They do not communicate your reasoning process.

Calling him a moron merely because he made a trivial mistake is quite a bit of a stretch. It certainly distracted you from his main point – that “1/3 is one of those very many values that has no exact decimal representation - similar to pi in that regard”.

Nah, he merely said that 1/3 and 4/12 are two different expressions of one and the same thing. He NEVER said, and he DOES NOT think, that 1/3 is equivalent to 0.333~. That’s what you keep saying (even though you don’t believe it yourself.)

None. We keep telling you this over and over again, but for some reason, you don’t see it.

“1/3 x 3” and “1/3” are two different expressions. The first does have a decimal equivalent, the second doesn’t. If you want to claim that 1/3 does have a decimal expression, go ahead and present your argument. Right now, I am not seeing one.

What physical object does the word “three” represent?

Three cats = a physical object.

Three dogs = a physical object.

Three musketeers = a physical object.

Three daddies = a physical object.

So obviously, if you can combine the word “three” with another word, and end up with something that is a physical object, that must mean that the word “three” in itself represents a physical object. So what physical object is that?

This is basically what I’m getting from your posts.

1.0 is 100%
.999… is 99.999…%

Are you asking me if I believe 100% = 99%? No!
100%=99.9%? No!
100%=99.99%? No!
100%=99.999%? No!
100%=99.9999%? No!
100%=99.99999%? No!
100%=99.999999%? No!
and on and on

See the pattern?

No matter how many 9’s you add to 99.999…% it will NEVER be equal to 100%. Never!

Again, 3 people with 33 pennies each is only 99 pennies, and there is a remaining 1 penny to be divided that is not included in the 99 pennies, so the 99 pennies can never equal 100 pennies. Never!

For you to overlook that simple example is showing your dishonesty and unwillingness to learn where your mistake is in believing that 1.0=.999…

You aren’t fooling me, you’re fooling yourself!

1/3 is a fraction that means 1 part of 3 parts. In order to convert a fraction to a decimal you have to divide the numerator by the denominator. So 1 divided by 3. You can’t ever finish the division of 1 divided by 3, because the remainder is never divided equally and never included in the answer. That means you can’t ever divide 1 whole into 3 equal pieces in order to have 1/3 of a whole.

1 part of 3 parts is 100.0 of 300.0, or 30.0 of 90.0, or 1.0 of 3.0. Converted to a decimal they all are .333…, because 1 can’t be divided by 3 equally.

When will you comprehend that?

There isn’t this magic 1/3 cutter to make 3 equal pieces out of 1.0 in order to have 1 of the 3 equal pieces. There is no such animal as cutting 1 whole into 3 equal pieces. If you think you can take 1.0 whole pizza (100%) and cut it into 3 equal pieces then what % of the whole is each equal piece?

In order for you to have 3 equal pieces the pieces need to total 100% that you started with. Or do you deny that a whole pizza is 100%??? Maybe you believe a whole pizza is actually 99.999…%???

No, he’s being dishonest by avoiding my questions and going off on a tangent. I ask very specific questions which he purposely avoids because he knows it shows him to be wrong. He is dishonest in that he knows he’s wrong but continues to speak BS! I have explained over and over with the 100 pennies how 3 people having 33 pennies each means there is a remaining 1 penny not included in the 33 x 3 pennies.

Care to elaborate on that, or would you like to show YOUR dishonesty on the matter?

Again, 1/3 literally means 1 part of 3 parts. In order for there to be a decimal expression of 1/3 the division needs to be completed, which it never can be, due to the remainder never being equally divided.

The division is ongoing as we speak, at .333… It is not complete yet!

But you and others like to pretend that the three parts totaling 99.999…% equates to being equal to 100%.

Again, you are saying 99 pennies equals 100 pennies. Care to explain your way out of that one? No? Didn’t think so! Go ahead and avoid the issue, it just shows how dishonest YOU are!

Let me try this a different way.

1/3 is 1 part of 1 whole divided into 3 equal parts. The “3” is how many EQUAL PARTS in total there are, and the “1” is how many of those equal parts we are speaking about.

To have “2/3” means you have 2 of the 3 equal parts. To have 3 of the 3 equal parts means you have ALL of the parts, which means you have 100% of the parts. 3/3 is 3 divided by 3, which equals 1.0. 1.00 is literally 100%. It is 100 Hundredths.

To START with 1.0 means you have 1 part. Now you are going to DIVIDE that 1 part into 3 smaller parts in order to try to have the 1 part divided into 3 equal parts. This is where the task FAILS, because you never even complete the task of dividing the 1 part into 3 equal smaller parts. You CAN’T divide 1 whole object into 3 equal smaller parts. If you could complete the task then the 3 equal parts would add up to 100%, which is the whole 1.0 part that you started with.

Again, there isn’t a magic fairy that comes along and waves her wand cutting a pizza into 3 equal parts in order for you to take 1 of those parts and have 1 of 3 of those parts. First you have to divide the pizza into 3 equal parts, which CAN’T be done!

So back to the 100 pennies.

3 people, so we need to divide the 100 pennies into 3 equal parts so that each has an equal portion, and all 3 portions add up to 100 pennies.

Start by giving each person 33 pennies, for a total of 99 pennies, with 1 REMAINING penny. You see where this is headed? You can never finish the division of 100 pennies, no matter how much you keep dividing that remainder, because the remainder is always a 1 in a different decimal position. You couldn’t divide it equally in any previous division, and you won’t divide it equally in any future division. It CAN’T be done!

So there are always FOUR PARTS, 3 equal to each other, and 1 remainder, which all adds up to 100 pennies. Therefore, You can not have each person have 1 of 3 equal parts, because there isn’t 3 equal parts, there is FOUR PARTS!
How can you have 1 of 3 when there is 4?

You are presuming that every fraction has a decimal equivalent.

I do not agree that your conclusion follows. While I do agree that 1/3 isn’t 0.333~ and that the result of trying to divide 1 by 3 says something about 1/3, I do not agree that what it says is that “we can’t ever divide 1 whole into 3 equal pieces”. Both me and obsrvr524 have demonstrated in the past that it’s quite possible to divide a whole (such as three bananas as a group) into 3 equals pieces (three bananas as individual items.) What 0.333~ actually indicates is that 1/3 has no decimal equivalent. In other words, there is no decimal expression that represents the concept represented by 1/3.

Never, because there is nothing to comprehend.

As Flannel Jesus has stated previously, you are obsessing over base-10 notation. Decimals are merely a way of expressing concepts – they are a language. If they are unable to express something, it does not follow that that something does not exist. If your language has no words for things such as volcanoes, that does not mean volcanoes do not exist. Base-10 notation is certainly not all encompassing. If you think that it is, feel free to present an argument in favor of it.

He did not avoid your question. He answered it rather directly. You asked him “1/3 = ??” by which you meant “What’s the decimal equivalent of 1/3?” and he responded by saying “It has no decimal equivalent”. He can’t tell you what its decimal equivalent is if he doesn’t believe one exists.

Yes, you have repeated that explanation of yours to death. And yet, noone has been convinced. Obviously, it’s not good enough and must be improved.

You are merely saying that certain quantities cannot be divided into three equal quantities. I certainly don’t deny that. You can’t divide one hundred pennies into three groups each containing equal number of pennies. However, that does not mean that no whole can be divided into three equal parts. Why not try dividing 99 pennies into three equal quantities? Why are you fixating on numbers such as 100? “100 pennies” is a whole but so is “99 pennies”. Both are wholes. If you’re going to say that “99 pennies” is not a whole but “100 pennies” is, you will have to explain why. You will, I am afraid, have to define the word “whole”. In English language, anything can be a whole. Any random groupation can be a whole.

It means “one third”. It does not merely mean “1 part of 3 parts”.

I don’t disagree with that. Nor does obsrvr524. But you keep repeating this as if we do. And you do that in spite of the fact that we keep telling you that we don’t – over and over again. It boggles the mind.

That’s not true. That’s merely you presuming. Again, neither me nor obsrvr524 believes that 99.999…% is equal to 100%.