the meaning of nothing

slate.com/articles/health_an … hing_.html

The article above explores nothing like nothing I have come across in a while. The meaning of nothing may be something we will never know.

For me it always revolves around this particular narrative:

Ron Rosembaum

Why should you care about nothing? Well, I know what I care most about is the purity of the nothing invoked in this maddening question. Pure nothingness: It’s the last unspoiled, uncluttered concept in the cosmos. I don’t believe in God, but I do believe in Nothing, in the sense I want to believe in mysteries beyond the reach of the mind. It makes life more interesting if existence can’t yet be reduced to a series of equations.

The closer I get to oblivion the more intriguing the question becomes. After all, how is that less than something but more than nothing?

“Why is there something rather than nothing.”
…is itemized at Rational Metaphysics: From Void to Inertia, Mass, Momentum, Particles, and Gravity
…and currently is being discussed in detail… New Theory of A Quantum World

Nothing follows from the assertion of something, which it is the negation of. However, one cannot say that nothing “exists” because by definition it has no existential value in any way.

Nothing would not have dimensions, could not move in time, could not interact, would be totally inert. There is no example of this available so it is not demonstrable.

One is forced to conclude that it is an invented ontological concept, probably originating from causality theories which presupposed it without properly examining such a presupposition.

Quite true and it happens to also be an impossible state.
But apparently they have trouble figuring that one out. They’ll get it shortly (or eventually).

Related to this is a conversation between Jim Holt and John Updike

slate.com/articles/life/cult … erse_.html

Holt:

Updike’s obsession with sex and death, with the goodness of being and the evil of nonbeing, is perhaps not unusual in the literary profession. But only with Updike do you find the mystery of existence figuring directly and explicitly in his fiction.

Sex and death. But of course.

But what is the point of both in the same universe?

I really want this to be about science. I’m not sure it will be, or even can be. I’m keeping an open mind, for now, but only for now.

Ok science;

Firstly is it possible to talk about it scientifically?..

Without digressing into a discussion about reality…

What is the greater part?

If we say anything at all, do we not soon find that there is something more than whatever that is. Even if we came to some idea about infinity as a thing or a dimension, then there are other things too.

If however, everything is made of ‘nothing’ and we don’t limit ourselves to the meanings of descriptions [e.g. infinity, finite, reality, illusion], then there is in my mind some idea of nothing.

The limit is in our description of it, but how can we think about something which is descriptionless, by not thinking about ‘it’ perhaps?

Is there some mathematical or other metaphorical way we can talk about the greater part?

:-k

In the continued effort to sell Atheism, Lawrence Krauss wrote a book explaining the quantum physics view of space and how particles form from that space. For the first 90% of the book his explanation involves preexisting fields. Right toward the end, he admits that space isn’t really “nothing” even though the book was about the universe’s origins and how we get something from nothing.

Richard Dawkins apparently either merely skimmed the book or more probably just didn’t understand it and skipped the last chapter and publicly announced that “we CAN get something from nothing. It is counter-intuitive, but many things are.” A Catholic priest corrected him on his reading of Krauss’s book during a public debate.

Dawkins immediately back-peddled and fumbling tried to explain that “nothing” is really a relative term so as to save face during the debate. The most frequent criticism of Krauss’ theory in the book was, “yeah, but that is not ‘nothing’”.

So later, Dawkins and Krauss held a public discussion (no moderators allowed) wherein they agreed that “nothing” is [to be] a relative term. This allowed both Krauss and Dawkins to save face in their effort to claim knowledge of the origins of the universe without having to actually explain how anything actually came from true nothingness.

Since then, the PR buzz has been many efforts to “relativize” the term “nothing” so as to maintain the Atheist’s claim to superior understanding of the origins of the universe. This is hardly the first time the public and Science has resorted to redefining words so as to save face and maintain their image of being correct.

But in no way is any of it actual Science. At best it could be called “a theory from science”. Very little of quantum mysticism is actual Science. It is theories built upon theories built upon theories that were never actually demonstrated to be true in the first place.

In addition, the naming of concepts is entirely an issue of Metaphysics involving epistemology and ontology. Physicists in general have no understanding of metaphysics, but that doesn’t stop them from defining and redefining whatever they like so as to make their speculative theories appear to hold water. After all, the purpose of Science is merely to prove that they are right and are to be respected more than anyone else.

James, don’t you think physicists start with metaphysics? Don’t you think what they’re doing is applying scientific methodology in an effort to either ‘prove’ or ‘disprove’ metaphysics?

Well that is what is interesting about it. Every physics law is actually a metaphysical entity for Science to either demonstrate or invalidate. But first, they don’t want to call it a “metaphysical” thing, because that is associated with spiritualism. It is a reputation thing. But more importantly, to come up with a metaphysical principle requires logical thought “outside the box” but not logically irrational. How do they know when a thought is logically irrational? They don’t. They know that they must ensure that whatever thought they might construe, it must agree with whatever else they have declared demonstrated enough to call “fact” (which in some cases is not really demonstrated at all, but merely “evidenced”). Of course, if it agrees with everything that has already been declared fact, then it isn’t really “outside the box”. So in effect, they are really merely extending what they already declared so as to include more aberrant details. There is nothing wrong with that, but they seriously need to understand the metaphysics that was involved in the earlier declarations. They seem to either forget such things or perhaps simply never learned them. When it comes to original thought that is not irrational, they are clueless. They are not engineers of ontology, but technicians attempting to expand on what got started years earlier.

The end result is that they make absurd guesses about the nature of reality and apply accepted scientific principles to make it seem as though it is a scientific theory, when in fact, it is often merely childishness, no different than a car mechanic speculating about the nature of combustion. The car mechanic has a better chance of understanding the details than the total novice, but that is still a far cry from the automotive design engineer (the metaphysicist).

When it comes to reality, scientists are merely attempting to reverse engineer what is already there. So naturally they examine it as closely as they can. And they become very good at such examining. But logically deducing where it all came from is simply not their talent. That talent is in the realm of pure metaphysics, not examination, measurement, and experiment.

It seems that the world is seriously lacking in people capable of rational deduction. I could get into why that is the case, but believe me, it is deeply dark and negative.

So yes, they started with metaphysics, but eventually got drawn into pure fantasy. Basically they are egocentrically groping. Being once proud of Science, it is all more than a little embarrassing to hear some of the things they profess as “Science” merely because there is mathematics involved or some flaky experiment.

In the case of Krauss, it is purely a game to sell books, claim respect over religion, and gain fame. In the case of Dawkins, it seems to be just simple stupidity.

The issue of “nothingness” is NOT anything Science can experiment with, demonstrate, or seemingly even comprehend. But it takes an actual metaphysicist/philosopher to realize that. Those who demand that only Science can know anything, who are very many, are merely preventing anyone else from solving the real problems of the day.

Nothingness is actually a logical impossibility. It doesn’t take any Science to realize that. It takes deductive reasoning, “metaphysics”. Science can’t test such impossibility. But it takes metaphysics to even realize that. Thus they spend time and money looking for ridiculous reasons for why the universe exists all the while trying to save face and maintain egocentric notions of superiority and being the “all wise” who should be given authority to govern the world. It is ridiculous.

pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/fa … ic-quantum

Above is a transcript from episode 3 [“The Quantum Leap”] of the the Nova documentary The Fabric of the Cosmos With Brian Greene. It delves into many of the relationships discussed here. The difficulty most of us have in understanding what is true and what is not true reflects the fact we do not have the educational background needed to grasp either “what this stuff means” or the implications of it for everything, for something and for nothing.

The paradox instead revolves around trying to grasp how everything can come out of nothing at all. And if it was always here…how that is not equally inexplicable.

And where does the “something” I am fit into all of this?

In what way is that “inexplicable”?

When we think about the galaxies, the suns, the planets, the earths, the mountains, the oceans, the homo sapiens like you and I… there was a time before they existed, the time they are around, and the time when they will no longer be around at all.

Beginning, middle, end. Why should the fundamental building blocks of nature – “existence” – be any different?

There are folks who view this…paradoxically?

With all of those things, aren’t there also replacements being formed as the others fade away?

If that’s what you want to call them, I wonder who my replacement will be. But to assume all of the “stuff” needed to do this is just “always there” is no less a connumdrum for some than imagining there was no stuff that led to them at all…and then there was.

So you are saying that someone needs to explain infinity such that a more typical homosapian can comprehend its significance.
…could be a challenge.

How about this, just for a start…

Existence requires distinction between locations. In effect, that is what defines location. If there were no distinction at all between any two points in space, there could be no existence. OF course if mere distinction was all there was to existence, there would be no motion of any kind, but we can handle the issue of motion later. First we must establish that there will be distinction between locations.

What is the probability that there is absolutely no distinction between any two points within a given volume (of space). One calculates probability by taking each trial and dividing it by the number of options regarding that trial. If one was to flip a coin, that would be one trial. The number of options concerning that trial are 2, heads or tails. Thus the probability for the options of heads or of tails is;

Trials / Options = 1/2 = 50%.

Now if one were to flip that coin 2 times, what would be the probability that it would land heads both times? Mathematically;
Two consecutive head-flips =
0.5 * 0.5 = 0.5^2 = 0.25
25% chance.

Thus the probability of getting at least one tail-flip from the 2 flips is;
At least 1 tail-flip;
1 - 0.25 = 0.75
75% chance

If it were flipped 10 times;
Two consecutive head-flips = 1 - .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 * .5 = 0.0009765625 = 0.09765625% chance = almost none.
At least 1 tail-flip
1 - 0.0009765625 = 0.9990234375
99.9% chance - almost certainty.

Within any volume, there would be an infinite number of points, each with the possibility of being either distinct from all other points or not. That is the coin toss of 50% chance. But since there are an infinite number of such points, each point would represent another coin toss and leave as our probability of finding distinction;

At least 1 point of distinction;
1 - 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5…
1 - 0.5^infinity
100% chance.

In other words, there is zero possibility that within any volume of space, there could be absolutely no distinction between the points within.

Having distinction means there is no absolute nothingness.
Because there is 100% chance of having distinction within any volume of space, absolute nothingness is logically/mathematically impossible - EVER.

That is the “Impossibility of Infinite Homogeneity” principle from Rational Metaphysics.

Why? What is a point, and why is infinity a mathematical number?

The whole point [no pun] here is that infinity is something that has no limits, no cardinality, hence it cannot be measured by limits.

If there is any math to it then I think we should be attempting to define the number 1, except where all other numbers are fractions but not of that, even mathematical infinities.

Distinctions are ‘meta’ [dictionary; ‘outside what is real or usual’ ‘relating to change’] as like numbers above.

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Infinity is NOT a “number”. It is the concept of “limitless”. In mathematics it refers to continuation without end.
A “point” refers to a location or an “infinitely small volume”, thus having no volume within.
Any finite volume would be able to contain a limitless number of locations, “points”, within.

Who is measuring it with limits? It does have “cardinality”. And what “whole point”?

Well, okay. Have at it. To me the number one and unique distinction are pretty much the same thing.

“Meta” means an abstract extension, “beyond”, “above” and so on. Metaphysics refers to the conceptual, not physical, concerns involved. Thus the concept of distinction is metaphysics. The actual/real distinction is the physics.

Even in terms of just basic language analysis, if we ask “is there nothing?”, what we are really implying is the proposition-“there is no nothing”.another way of saying that is “nothing=nothing.”, which only seems reductive, in fact is a total tautology. Absolute nothingness, can not be presupposed to a nod to science, since language predated science.