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[b]Amongst earliest humanity it became necessary to invent evil and the devil much like god also for it was the perfect opportunity to create an external scapegoat so that human beings could shift blame away from themselves instead of reflecting or facing their own inherent problematic nature.
Tyranny concerning authority was made to look good and just where all that opposes it evil with the ever present fictional abstraction of the devil behind it all. Later that authoritarian good declared essentially war on all uncontrollable forms of nature in order to create the most perfect managed sanitized, conditioned, and engineered environment. [/b]
Perhaps they did invent those things, perhaps not. If my theory of mental time travel; and spiritual time travel; are possible, then it stands to reason that humanity has been tampered with at least in some small part by its own past and its own future and therefore, they might not have invented God; God may not have created them and yet added to them in such a way as to create something new from the blend of what was there and what this ‘God’ had to add to what was there. Much the same, the devil might be thought of the same way. In dealing with a time loop, it begs the question, who really came up with the idea; those who started believing it earlier in the linear time line or those in the middle who had a linear timeline of their own within that linear timeline which showed interference in seemingly random and sporadic fashions along the linear time line creating a linear time line of its own of jumping all throughout history and the future within that linear time line.
Or perhaps it was those near the end of the timeline as well, who also may have added and lent support to the idea that these things existed. Then, it would be a blend of a large portion of time and space to have worked together in inventing these things and passing them back to the beginning of their own involvement in the linear timeline, the beginning of our own species; which also may have been tampered with by other things outside of our own species along said linear timeline; aliens, so to speak; or what would be known as alien if we are as alien to them as they might be to us. And, they might bring their own ideas of Gods and Devils into the mixture as well, creating ultimate beings known as THE God and THE Devil from the blend of all lessers adding up into those ultimates, which would be constantly shaped and refined through periodical time loops and time loops within time loops like a convoluted and complex venn diagram of venn diagrams within venn diagrams and around venn diagrams.
What of places and times where the words ‘God’ and ‘Devil’ aren’t known? What are those beings to them, if they’re even recognized as beings instead of just energy, if they’re even recognized as energy? How much does awareness play a part in it all, if it’s to be viewed inward as well as outward, since the duality and all that lays within it and without of it can be viewed inwardly at the same time as some pull it outward, forcing these things to have an effect on our physical reality, the immaterial made manifest in the material?
There is a saying that, regardless if something is good, if it looks bad, it is bad. I don’t like that saying. Through religion, many cruel beings have tarnished Gods work and tried to ruin what is good in the world simply because they don’t like the idea of it, may think that it’s weak or immature or even stupid, naive, innocent, gullible. And, if they’re continually able to drag it down to their level and fill it with doubt, insecurity, fear, etc. to the point where it can become as dark as them, then the consistency that they look for it to be in being such a perfect being would be denied to their eyesight, for expecting it to be something that they themselves could never be and since many of those ‘darker’ beings would never even try and if they did, would give up far too soon, would remain blind to that fact, though they know that it’s impossible anyway and why bother with what is impossible even though they are capable of doing so many other things deemed and viewed to be impossible by others around them simply because they themselves could not do those things.
They might beg for a consistency in behavior that they themselves would never have, simply because they would view it to be weak when it finally had too much; broke; and fell to it’s knees and cried out in what they viewed to be weakness, even though many of them would do so if they dared; have themselves broken and cried in private away from prying eyes and refused to admit such, to keep their own illusions going; and only call it weak because it does so in plain sight.
I have no desire to entertain the notion of a god or devil existing as an atheist. I find an interest in religion only in its connection of maintaining authority and the status quo. For me it is an ongoing absurdity that has a deep impact on culture, society, and civilization.
Here in this thread I am merely entertaining the notions of the devil and evil because like Fyodor Dostoevsky I believe both are nonexistent merely being reflections of human nature itself.
Fair enough. Either way, the ideas or the beings still had a large impact on our society and our existence, so I don’t care too much to quibble over the idea of existence or non-existence too much. I’d hate to be wrong either way when I die. I’d feel pretty stupid if I died believing that the existence was the only possibility and finding out that it was just a bunch of other dead people fucking with me my whole life only to have them make me the laughing stock of all the dead people, unless there was nothingness after death and I just blinked out of existence entirely. Similarly, if they do exist, I’d have to really hate myself for not entertaining that possibility, especially if there was a Hell, for one because it would Hell that much worse; but on the flipside, it would make Heaven so much better if I actually made it there; if those two places are at all factual even with the possibility of God and the Devils existence.
At least for an atheist, you can still argue from a decent standpoint.
As the powers that be over a period of history turn the entire planet into one giant prison of captivity, enslavement, and oppression globally the last vestiges of the illusions and myths of morality or ethics will die in a whimper followed by gun shots being heard in the distance. No crying out, pleading, praying, and begging for divinely intervention by any god will deliver anything and the absence of such being will be felt everywhere by everyone. On that day the horrors of human nature will be felt and realized by all along with all the existential insecurities it entails.
Naw, it’ll still be carried out on some other planet or some other reality or some other place entirely. It would only be the end of it on this planet. I thought that one out.
[b]The thin veneer of the illusions and grand delusions of morality or ethics revolves around perceived legitimate credibility.
Once this perceived legitimacy or credibility is gone eroded, it’s gone forever even amongst the working slaves of civilization it’s intended to control and herd as livestock. When it becomes lost, it is lost indefinitely.[/b]
[b]How was it that fascism a kind of government utilizing raw brute military force as a method of authoritarian control succumbed to democracy in the west? It’s because under an environment of fascism there is no thin veneer of illusion concerning morality or ethics being maintained in the public psyche. Fascism doesn’t even pretend to be a moral or ethical social order concerning its methods of retaining centralized power. Democracy won in the west because it was able to keep the masses psychologically satiated concerning the thin veneer of morality and ethics aided by idealistic illusion. Democracy tells its citizens that its government cares about human rights, equality, freedom, and the general well being of its population even when in reality the oligarchy controlling democracy doesn’t at all whatsoever. Indeed, all governments have one thing in common in that there is always a ruling oligarchy forever present in one form or another.
Communism much like democracy tried the same thing with its citizens but collapsed under its own weight as the political and authoritarian experiment fell apart entirely.
Now we see modern democratic social welfare states collapsing from under their own weight because they are unable to prop up the thin veneer of illusion or delusion concerning human morality and ethics anymore. What comes after the collapse of democracy in the west is anybody’s best guess.[/b]