The only logical response to Atheism is suicide, Atheism is a death cult

[Zeroeth_Nature (Self-Lightening, ΑΘΕΛΗΜΑ,)]

@Jakob

@Zeroeth_Nature

No. You put strong effects before truth, like modern philosophy

No, you unbelievably persistent liar

Well, as I recently quoted:

@Zeroeth_Nature

“By annihilating any non-arbitrary good or god, science (liberalism) rejects the common-sense, moral-political universe in which a man’s chief care is acquisition of what truly is good for him. Until its farce is scientifically exposed, illiberalism assumes the existence of that real, non-arbitrary good. Science is the insight that the world hospitable to politics, and therefore to philosophy, does not exist. Unlike philosophy which gives full rein to the mind’s ‘natural’ bent, science tyrannically imposes its methodology to discipline that bent into submission to science’s ‘unnatural’ orientation.
That tyranny is the basic meaning of scientific conquest of nature. Nietzsche rightly observes that modernity’s hallmark is not the victory of science, but the victory of scientific method over science. Here ‘science’ means inquiry deluded by faith in an illiberal universe whose core is the swindle responsible for politics and, therefore, philosophy. Despising that faith, Nietzsche insists that truth is scientific method: insofar as truth is more than liberal (nihilist) insight, it is the tyrannic will to suppress illiberalism in thought and in action. This suppression’s main weapon is scientific methodology. To subvert illiberalism (politics and philosophy), Descartes and his liberal allies invented liberal science, mathematical physics, grounded in a symbolic mathematics not reflecting, as illiberal mathematics had, the common-sense (moral-political) universe. The mathematical assumptions and consequences of Cartesian liberalism are well described by J. Klein. That liberalism despised illiberal mathematics which ‘had no notion of the Zero’.” (Neumann, Liberalism, “The Nihilist (Liberal) Discipline of Scientific Method”.)

“[We] shall conquer and come to power even without truth. The spell that fights on our behalf, the eye of Venus that charms and blinds even our opponents, is the magic of the extreme, the seduction that everything extreme exercises: we immoralists—we are the most extreme.” (Nietzsche, The Will to Power, section 749 end, translation Kaufmann.)

So yes, unbelievable persistence, the most extreme methodicality, and not necessarily truth or science (scientia)…

In terms of absolute values, zero is the most extreme, for infinity is not a number, just a limit.

Absolute value

@Jakob

(but then what else could you do by now), Ive consistently shown the truthfulness of VO here. And it was born purely out of an absolute will to and need of truth.

The “lust to truth”, you called it.

@Jakob

While you were arranging your simplified models I was in the pure agon of philosophic labor for thirteen years.

Ive also repeatedly shown the untruthfulness of your model. And Ive shown your philosophic efforts to be escapism. Well, you have, I clarified. And you’ve admitted to their vanity.

Vanity as in emptiness?

@Jakob

You want the effect, the distinction. That is the very reason for your being you’ve given. What now has been exposed as your blatant, willful lying is all about the satisfaction of your pride.

No, then you didn’t get what I said about ‘the inner or higher aspect of cruelty toward oneself’. Pride is just the outer or lower aspect. For pride always involves some sense of agony, laboriousness, labour pains, etc., like in your “pure agon of philosophic labor”… The will must be free, otherwise there is no ground for pride, but at the same time it must struggle, really struggle, overcome impossible odds… Yes, do the impossible! You’ve always prided yourself on being a “dragon”, who does the impossible…

@Jakob

I wanted to share, and liberate. (I laughed in pure joy for a week after I had my insight, woke up laughing. Not that it didn’t make me proud, but that certainly wasn’t the goal.)

Joy, and not pleasure, for that would not be moral… Yes, you’ve always wanted to do good, you’ve always been good, you have the best of intentions and the best character… Beauty, goodness, and truth!