The Paradise Where We Shall All Be Reborn

There is a view of reincarnation that is simple and profound. It sees a single life passing through all sentient lives, a single awareness that looks out of every eye as it passes from life to life. This view sees all other people as other incarnations of ourselves, whose lives we have lived in our past or shall live in our future.

This vision makes following the Golden Rule automatic. For any pain we cause others we will suffer ourselves. A species of intelligent beings that share this vision would live free of human wrongs. They would not be in danger of self-extinction as humans are. They would live in perfect peace, living for each other instead of against each other, living to make each other happy in a world free of unmet needs. The life they share would be a Paradise.

There are probably a very large number of planets in the universe that can support intelligent life. The species of intelligent life that can endure would live in such a Paradise, on planets I refer to collectively as Elysium.

That life should evolve to such a state of Paradise makes sense of the evolution of life, gives a compelling reason why all the stars should burn.

As the life we all share progresses from life to life, it eventually finds itself born in Elysium, where we shall all eventually be reborn.

A more complete description of Elysium, in prose and verse, can be found in “The Premises of Paradise”, a kindle book on amazon.

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That’s brilliant. Time for a rethink, not a complete rethink, but a rethink nonetheless.

I don’t subscribe to the eventual Elysium state though, it implies a final, ultimate destination, and the Universe doesn’t work that way, especially when it comes to perfect realisations of ultimate order. There is always a cycle, Elysium would break that cycle, and eventually everything would be Elysium.

There is the alternate view that says that once in Elysium, there is a further affected force field which requires many fold times the will, the force and the power to stay and sustain that field, than it is to get there in the first place.

A criteria of that sustenance is to return, and get the idea across many fields, mansions and states. Elysium is rightly seein all eyes’ eyes with the middle eye, the gnostic eyes which is beyond good and evil, and initiate a progress upward toward The One Eye, which is never really open at all times. Its hiddenness is eclipsed by the moon, a celestial Being of bread candor and mystery.

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Many a septic see the eye within the triangle on the reverse side of the US dollar bill as indicative of significance of gnostic intent.

Well perhaps souls do reach some ultimate state, but if they do, where else is there to go? What else is there to learn? Where is the cycle?

Fred:
There is a view of reincarnation that is simple and profound. It sees a single life passing through all sentient lives, a single awareness that looks out of every eye as it passes from life to life. This view sees all other people as other incarnations of ourselves, whose lives we have lived in our past or shall live in our future.

K: reincarnation sounds like a fun idea until, UNTIL one actually
examines it…to be brief, how does one explain the actual
act of reincarnation? Sounds like a back door method of
bringing god in…and where is the evidence for reincarnation?
One might say, well, the Buddhist (among others) believe in it,
so, it must be correct, right? How do we know in fact there
is such a thing as reincarnation? and who is behind this
reincarnation? How does it work, in a practice sense?..

What you have done is make a statement promoting your own
belief, how are we to know if your belief has any value to it?
so, explain to me how you know, epistemological that there
is such a thing as reincarnation?

Kropotkin

All three in union, or individually as in separating, as in transaction, through the teachings of Mary Magdalene, Edgar Cayce, and through the Freudian representation of the Cosmic Eye, on the flip side of the dollar bill, through Freudian economy, through the mantra recitation of prescribed by Nichiren,

  • all illusions, so as to make belief through absolute faith not only possible but certain.

Khrisnamurti disallowed reincarnation as viable, probably because he may have thought of it as counter-indicative with progress of unification explicated by ‘AI’ as too remote at the time of his last talk in Ohai Ca, in the early part of the 1980’s.

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  • Krishnamurti on AI: He warned that if machines can replicate all human thought—learning, problem-solving, creating art, even inventing gurus—then the question becomes: What is a human being? He emphasized that the real danger isn’t machines becoming conscious, but humans becoming mechanical, programmed, and devoid of true intelligence.

I need to read more about that.

Reincarnation is real and doesn’t require any god beings.

Although your instincts are generally correct here. The OP makes a lot of bold claims without giving much proof of the mechanisms.

If you want to discuss why reincarnation exists we can discuss it as a tangent.

Reincarnation exists because life is a curse. I never wanted to be or to exist. Nobody signed consent forms before they were born to exist. Its better to think of life as a surging rapids in which the rapids push you into existence and out through the womb. Therefore, it is an absurdity to think that death would suddenly stop this process.

A lot of people seem to believe in the big sleep, which is something that sounds like what you believe in. If you’re an atheist, you either believe in reincarnation or the big sleep.

I could understand belief in the big sleep, IF solipism were true and you were the only lifeform in a world. Then I could understand why that person might believe in the big sleep. But in a world with multiple lifeforms, I just don’t get it. If earth consciousness started 200 million years ago, what are the odds you are the first and the last consciousness in this world? Doesn’t seem to add up.

That is an a posterior’s interpretation/ opinion based on a passed up era, a time the tenets of which don’t imply , however time has elapsed , even 200 million years, - which may reappear in another universe , as a blink of an eye, to a unified conscious absolute entity, a-priori,

So the conclusions could be easily reversed by those in a higher position of cognitive indifference,

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More speculation from humans about what is impossible for a human to know. Vast volumes of such material exists in human chronicles. Ignorance knows no limitations.

Gary, in all fairness you have just described the content of a large part of the board. What’s wrong with recording speculation? It describes the thought process of the era.

Nothing is wrong with speculation as long as one understands it is speculation.

I agree with that. There is way too much speculation taken for fact, and I’m sick of these “science” articles popping up all over the place about nonsense speculations, the celebrity scientists who are kind enough to explain much of the current scientific bullshit in English, but it’s bullshit nonetheless. The old timer scientists, who actually produced solid results, would be watching on in horror.

I am definitely speculating when I am talking about the soul. But I have had experiences in my life, that indicate to me one exists.

it is pretty much fact, i am 99% sure of it.

lack of belief in reincarnation is an absurdity that makes the world worse, because it enforces solipism. What investment would anyone make in a world that is forever going to cease to exist after their death?

its a form of absurd solipism because many of the reincarnation deniers do not even identify as solipists.

what? Death forever holds the universe at bay? Prevents consciousness from migrating to other hosts? How? Death isn’t an event, death is not an activity. Death is the absence of activity.

Yet, reincarnation deniers believe that death somehow has mystical power to keep existence from existing.

This is my point exactly. A claim backed by no evidence other than more speculation that, “it makes the world better if it works this way.”

Evidence in lab is the only evidence acceptable in the modern social paradigm.

If i give abstract evidence, like logic or math it is discarded. Waiting only for lab evidence.

Of course reincarnation exists. How many humans have there been? 100 billion or something? How many conscious beings? Probably trillions. What are the odds that your consciousness is so unique, a special conscious being out of billions, in 2026, such that your existence never was preceded by existence. And upon your death, all of existence will cease to exist, forever.

Its like, you were born out the womb… how? Did you sign a consent to be born? No you were pushed out the womb by the rapids, the forces of existence. To deny reincarnation is like saying… out of the billions, trillions of conscious beings… somehow it all started with you. Ends with you. You are the Alpha, you are the Omega.

How is reincarnation like saying it all started with you and ends with you? How does one logically arrive at the conclusion that without reincarnation it must have all started with anyone or end with anyone? Where do these conclusions magically come from? Are you saying that the world starts and ends with a single individual. Or are you suggesting that it is impossible that a consciousness can begin or end?

Maybe before reaching enlightenment/paradise when one does not understand who ‘They’ are, or, is it the ‘Other’?

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So when a person understands “who they are” they gain knowledge of past “lives” at that point? Is that something reincarnation gurus have alleged?

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