The paradox of pacifism

I believe in peace, harmony, compassion, diplomacy, and cooperation where I abhor the employing of violence against others.

I believe violence is the option of last resort when all else fails but where it should only be used or employed under the most extreme of circumstances to protect others and yourself.

The paradox of absolute pacifism however as I have noticed is that if you do nothing in idle passivity evil and wickedness becomes stronger where your constant inaction feeds both. The evil and wicked look at absolute pacifists as weakness simply devouring them as no threat or obstacle whatsoever. Pacifists are no threat against evil whatsoever.

This seems to be a problem for the crowd that believes pacifism must always be embraced for every situation no matter what. It is because of that paradox that I do not call myself an absolute pacifist.

I believe the innocent and weak amongst us should be defended in protection where pacifism in those regards is a losing strategy of being.

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Why if you do nothing in so-called ‘idle passivity’ evil and wickedness becomes stronger within you?

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This simply goes back to the paradox that linear concepts of good do not work.
They always result in death.

You can stop fighting back → death
You can stop eating and thus causing death → death
You can increase quality of life to it’s maximum → death
Suicidal empathy → death
etc

You can by all means choose to be “that” spiritually enlightened.
Its just that there is a cost associated with that, which is usually death. The only thing that varies is the scope of the death you cause. Convince your entire nation that its their duty to put the needs of others ahead of theirs, and your entire way of life and culture will be goan within less than 100 years.

Which are concepts of balance and mediation.

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@anew1

If a people chooses inaction in idle passivity within absolute pacifism their collective inaction makes things easier for evil and wicked individuals. Evil can only be combated against in eternal vigilance, pacifism in effect enables evil by doing nothing.

You cannot fight evil with zero resistance.

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@Nausamedu

It would seem the inaction of absolute pacifism is just as destructive as evil under the right circumstances.

Goodness, virtue, and compassion must be always active against evil if they’re to survive remaining intact. For goodness to prevail it must actively combat against evil and wickedness.

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If you consider only the outcome and the result then yes.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Naturally.
In this system you can only ever strive for harmony and balance. Thats the best outcome we get.
Tipping the balance no matter in which direction, will always incur a cost. Some times instantly. Some times many decades later.

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What do you mean by ‘usually’?

No one could even do such a thing, so moot.

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But there are not, never was, and never will be so-called “evil and wicked individuals”.

What there are instead are human beings, namely ‘children’ and ‘adults’. All adults do some so-called “evil and wicked things”.

Also, ‘absolute pacifism’ implies there is no one doing evil, wicked, nor wrong things anyway.

What you are ‘trying to’ do here is just “justify” that it is not good to just do what is good and right only, because other human beings will take advantage of you for their own greedy and selfish ways.

Which, obviously, is just you ‘trying to’ to “justify” your own wrong doings that you do for your own greedy and selfish ways.

‘Absolute pacifism’, or in other words, just doing only what is good and Right in Life, there is absolutely nothing Wrong with.

But, then again, one would have to know what ‘absolute pacifism’ entails exactly to be able to understand this concept fully.

If this is what you really want to believe is absolutely true, then okay. But, if you want to accept that your view it belief here can be wrong, and would like to have a discussion, then I can show you how and why.

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Is this an absolute fact, or just a saying that you have heard?

If it is the former, then please explain how and why exactly.

The road to hell can be paved with false good intentions, but how could it be paved with actual good intentions only?

Every action has a reaction. So, what you say here is obvious.

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All extremes invert to there opposites, what remains is the tension between the extremes as grades.

Balance is the only rational medium as balance allows the respective distinction of both opposites to co-exist as distinct while simultaneously allowing for the freedom of identity as the emergence of each.

The harmony of reality is the distinction of conflict that allow opposites to exist by degree of the contrast that conflict induces.

In these respects a state of perfect peace or perfect war is unfeasable as each would cease relative to the other thus leaving nothing.

Existence is conflict, the conflict of conflict is peace and the gradation of peace within peace is the space of conflict.

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Here is another prime example of another one who ‘tries’ their very hardest to “justify” their Wrongdoings.

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@Nausamedu didn’t say that. The saying is that “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

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@anew1

There absolutely is wicked and evil people but as usual your viewpoints are ones of extreme skeptical neutrality or indecisiveness.

It’s like you took the Socratic Method of knowing nothing and made an entire philosophy out of it.

“We cannot possibly know anything at all, how did you reach your conclusions?”

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I know. That is why I replied in the way I did.

Obviously I said that, and not “naussmedu”.

I am not sure what part/s of what I said and write is confusing you here.

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Will you name any of these people who you consider to be wicked and evil people. If you do, then we can look into this and have a discussion.

Are you one of the wicked and evil people you claim exist?

Also, and by the way, you have never once sought out to delve into what my views actually entail, so any claim of yours that you know what my views are exactly is based on your own assumptions and unverified beliefs only. Which obviously could be completely and utterly False and/or Wrong.

And here is a prime example of how this one bases it’s conclusions off of its own unverified assumptions and beliefs only.

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@anew1

Applying extreme skepticism to every conversation is annoying and nobody has time for all of that.

“Am I really alive? Is this really oxygen that I am breathing? How do I reach any conclusions? Let’s talk about that.”

Absolute wasted of time and I wonder if you think you’re cute doing so.

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LOL This, coming from one of those who are still searching for answers here makes your response even funnier.

Now, the very reason why there are no actual wicked and evil people, ever, could have been discussed and shared. However, and once again, this was not wanted to be discussed because people believed that they already know what the Truth is here. And, as I just pointed out, the fact that they are the same ones still searching for answers and the Truth makes this all the more hilarious.

Again, the reason why it took these people so, so very long to arrive at the actual Truths, in Life, is blatantly obvious.

LOK They actual believe the claims they make are absolutely true and right, but when questioned or challenged over their claims, they “run away” and hide.

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@anew1

“Is that really a shadow when light casts upon you or is it something else? How do you know that’s your own shadow? Where’s the proof?”

Wow, insightful stuff you got here.

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LOL ‘you’ are the only one here thinking and writing such nonsense.

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This seems to contradict what you said …

So I don’t think it’s a case of me being confused.