the problem of evil

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@omar

— a robot that can take its own ram or processor or hard disk out and replace it with another would be really easy to do.
O- And who built the upgrade hardware?

a different computer

— its not what you want to justify life though. its not thinking.
O- Life is not about thinking. Being human has such an attribute, but grass does not “think”. A robot is an imitation of life, at best, and a satire of humanity at worst.

cant say that yet. its too primitive. its like saying a single cell is an imitation of life.

— eventually itll happen though. when youre program feels bad about the program of a computer i think thats when everyone will realize its alive.
O- ??? What does this mean?

in the movie A.I. you feel bad for the robot. you know its a robot but still you have the sympathy and the reason being? because youre programed to do that.

— im almost positive you can link pain to morality. im not exactly sure how you would do it but all moral guides can be in some way shown to be connected to some form of pain.
O- I’ll leave you to prove it.

working on it.

— yea but to freud it was because you were thinking about sex all the time.
O- But the point is that you agree that what is in our heads displays itself externally and that we can know how and when.
You may difer on the thought, but agree on the possibility of gnosis.

i dont disagree with everything freud i just think hes a joke when you apply it to anything literally. hes a genius in some respects though

[Club29]

@omar

Hello Club:

— Not sure how this first one opens the door for nihilism? I feel I know the answer to this question, it’s biblical.
O- It is not clear whether God is good or if the Good is god. If you question whether we truly know what is good now, that is, if you beging to doubt that what we hold generally as good is the real good, and present a deeper good, you may believe that you have resolved the situation, but the question persist why is this good any more real than our previous conception. If we doubt once we can doubt again and again…And if we ask once, we can ask again and again, leaving no position quite permanent anymore without our hope in it to support it.

— Selvish desires take our focus off of him, because it should all be about him, not us.
O- Do you hope for heaven? Is being near God good? Then it is selfish of you to be a christian. Our focus on Him comes iremedially along with our focus on ourselves. God, if for the christian, a saviour, and so belief in Him is a means towards our self-preservation.

— If our selvish desires make us think of him then how is that bad?
O- It is bad Faith. God is the means and not the end.

— We think of him then we stop with the selfish desires out of rememberance.
O- Do not understand. Could you please explain.

People do die at a certain point right?
O- Death comes to all things but not suffering, pain and misery, for which death is a release.

— Maybe there is some purpose you are unaware of.
O- Like I said, a little agnosticism saves us from the problem of evil. It unravels the logic that drives us inexorably towards a contradiction as cba pointed.

— Plus, you can’t say why that’s morally wrong of God because only through him can you have a moral law but this is what you are trying to disprove.
O- Why is something “moral”, in your opinion? Is it because God said that it is, or does God say it is because it is moral? What I mean is that an action is not necessarly moral solely and only because God says it is, because in which case you can conclude that might makes right. But another view is that what is moral is independently moral and that thus God simply endorses what already is in accordance with His nature.

— I don’t necessarily see what train of thought you’ve gotten on thinking that God kills people for our attention, and if he does it’s wrong.
O- I was just following your train of though. I did not say that is the case but argued that your premiises lead to absurd conclusion therefore must be redrawn.

— He already suffered more than any one man
O- A single heretic in 15th century Spain could have outdone the punishment received by Christ as desceribed in the Bible.

— if you won’t to talk within context as I was referring to here with this statement.
O- I like to make sure that you understand the magnitude of the POE. You were not yet appreciative and got sidetracked by the euphenistic qualities of the philosophical question. I simply wanted to point you to the ugly roots of the matter.

A single heretic could not have suffered hell for everyone like Christ did, this I think you are just ignorant to. I would not be so dim to posit such a statement unless I had good reason. And even without my statements here one could still argue what is the most suffering, while the same gunshot hurts more to one man than to another, or possibly some people like pain, we do not know. This is why philosophy just drives us nuts I guess, it’s constant questioning. However if the bible is truth, the obviously Jesus suffered more than any man ever will, do you see this now?

[omar]

— A single heretic could not have suffered hell for everyone like Christ did, this I think you are just ignorant to.
O- When we worship at Church we sign about that Christ that suffered on the cross for our guilt-- not a Christ that suffered Hell. Jesus, as told by the Bible, defeated death and sits by God in Heaven.
The horrible suffering that Jesus endured, as shown in Mel Gibson’s movie, even if that bad, were standard practice of the Roman empire. The heretic, like Jesus received the same science reserved for political prisioners. Now, do you really wish to say that dying on a cross is worse than being burned alive? Or if we stick to Gibsonian movies, who suffered more? Wallace, from “Braveheart”, or Jesus of Nazareth?

[Club29]

@omar

— A single heretic could not have suffered hell for everyone like Christ did, this I think you are just ignorant to.
O- When we worship at Church we sign about that Christ that suffered on the cross for our guilt-- not a Christ that suffered Hell. Jesus, as told by the Bible, defeated death and sits by God in Heaven.
The horrible suffering that Jesus endured, as shown in Mel Gibson’s movie, even if that bad, were standard practice of the Roman empire. The heretic, like Jesus received the same science reserved for political prisioners. Now, do you really wish to say that dying on a cross is worse than being burned alive? Or if we stick to Gibsonian movies, who suffered more? Wallace, from “Braveheart”, or Jesus of Nazareth?

Just because something isn’t in a hymn at church, doesn’t mean it’s not in the bible. Jesus went to hell for all of us, within the context of believing in everything of Jesus Christ, and not just the parts(as so many seem to do) you will see he suffered more than anyone ever has or will. Lets please leave Mel Gibson out of this.

I will say to all of you, If God doesn’t exist, you really don’t have a problem of evil, and when in the context of God you still don’t have a problem of evil. Problem of evil really doesn’t exist in a sense. It’s just evil.