The real beginning of philosophy and science

From the beginning, there were paradoxes.

The first one we noticed was that even though mud gets you all dirty, it leeches out the impurities.

The second one we noticed is that even though coffee is a liquid, it dehydrates you.

Ever since then, humanity have been philosophers and scientists trying to solve all the paradoxes of the universe.

Just so.

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Internet Paradox : The most prominent paradox from the early internet, identified in a 1998 study by Kraut et al., is that despite being a communication technology designed to enhance social connections, heavy internet use was associated with reduced social involvement, increased loneliness, and poorer psychological well-being among new users during their first 1–2 years online. This counterintuitive outcome—where a tool meant to connect people led to social isolation—became known as the “Internet Paradox.”

There’s one to philosophise over..

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I think it’s one of those things like sacrificing pixel count for frame rate. We put a pause on one of them and got a crap ton of the other one. Before that, we didn’t even know about the other one, so we got a crap ton of the one we paused (before we paused it). Now that we’re familiar with both, it’s time to blend what is good about both of them and discard the rest.

Exactly. As Mr. Miyagi says, “balance”.

The internet is still pretty new, it’s really only been more widely adopted in the last 30 years. If television was used as a starting point for an analogy, then it would only be 1970 right now. AI is obviously hot off the press, most people are completely consumed by it, me being one of them.

But after a while, everything settles into its practical aspect, and the novelty wears off. I think we’re also starting to understand that it’s detrimental to overuse the internet, especially high frequency social media, which really hammers concentration and retention skills. The tools themselves aren’t the problem, they rarely are, it’s our perceived reliance on them that presents a problem.

My philosophy is “always be ready for a power cut”. Have books ready, have writing implements and paper handy. Then for me at least, life can go on, but I think it applies to most people.

I personally think the internet is a good thing, and is causing long term social evolution and adaptation in human beings, but we have to go through the painful process of finding out exactly what the tools are good for, and what is frivolous and a complete waste of time, or even harmful.

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But it’s still very early in the game. Way to early, relatively speaking..

I think you’re right if your applying that to AI, but I think we can start to apply what we have learned over those 30 years to the way we use the internet—it’s becoming pretty clear what’s detrimental and what’s beneficial, and many studies have been conducted.

Most people still seem largely ignorant of the pitfalls, and don’t consider their own behaviours and habits much. Because there’s no immediate ill effects, sometimes we assume everything is fine, but I can speak from experience when I say that time away from the screen is healthy and allows us to readjust to our natural functions.

Is it something we should be agreeing on? Teaching our kids? That too much internet = bad.. Maybe we need to establish the “Goldilocks Zone” for internet usage?

Yes.

But.

As Democracy may be slipping by us, our kids look to their gangleder/supplier or Big Brother to call the shots.

In the real world of education this may be to pronounced . But kids in classrooms targeting a D or below just because there on athletic scholarship?

Well those are a few worst-case scenario spanners to throw into the cogs William, and sometimes there needs to be a big brother as far as kids are concerned, should they just be left to their own devices online? I would say no.. we don’t know the full negative effects of that, but we do know that kids as young as 11 are viewing porn, and they are being exploited by the unscrupulous online. Also, they are joining discussions and groups which are decidedly unhealthy, I bet some of it would make your hair stand on end, I’ve heard about some of them and it certainly did mine.

I think we need to do more, much more, because the internet can be a scary enough place for adults—so how are kids being affected? Think what they have been exposed to before they even mature, while we were out enjoying the fresh air in blissful ignorance of most of the evils of the world.

I think it’s questions we need to seriously ask, and also take the answers very seriously..

Yes it’s a credible premise. Especially now days. However what’s behind the tightening of standards between moral and ethical perimeter? What’s inside this heart of darkness which blinds against the murky failing of memory?

That is the moral laity allowance kids get that would mess up their underlying spatial mapping of what has been deposited, ingrained within the neural structure, that of original plain, of primary conversion of anger into its:effusive orgiastic outlet? Diminishing racial pirates with rhythmic blues and easy relations, of the x kind, sure, the naive and the innocent will be the first to fall for it, and fall they magnificently did,

It’s in the middle of east and the far east which separates the wild Wild West as tradition had it;

But those days are gun, the gun smoke of those spaced out times, n brewing far more innocuous tools, which have been madly suppressed as unevenly as those who only can think of the obviou in the embrace which only love can portray.

Imprimatur, has ceased its effect on a misguided literacy.

So I agree not to disagree, but the other way around.

So what do we do? We built all this, and now we take no responsibility for it whatsoever. The world they live in, is the one we created for them.

Take video games.

Maybe the teachers should start to out-rule the parents on certain things, after all, the parents aren’t doing a very good job on many fronts, especially when it comes to twisted uses of technology. Young kids that can visit any website they like, or play increasingly photo-realistic games where mutilation and murder is all the rage. Thank God I was a kid when I was, it was just a pleasing assembly of obvious pixels, you had to use imagination to fill in the gaps. Now, no imagination is needed whatsoever, everything is depicted in graphic detail.

But you’re not even allowed to express that in these times, if you do, you are lumped in with the pearl-clutching soccer moms, those unreasonable fusspots who just don’t want kids to have any fun. There is no nuance to the argument, just fucking polarisation as usual. Games are good, or games are bad. What a pathetically simplistic way of looking at it. Age is not brought into consideration, and neither is what is depicted in the game. The Japanese have created games where the purpose is to successfully molest barely legal girls, that’s the whole point and how to win. Are those games restricted to Japan? Hard to get hold of in the West? Of course not.

I’ll say it again, the world they live in, is the one we created for them. Things are accepted because we accepted them.

It’s hard to tell who the children are these days, because the children are expected to be adults, while the adults are allowed or even encouraged to be children.

Well, got that out of the system.

Well said, but then the urban cliche, ‘it is what it is’, trumps what should be, against all appearances.

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It is what we allowed it to become, and now “it is what it is” is a massive cop-out.

There used to be pretty firm rules about what was suitable for children and what wasn’t. And you know what—they worked. I couldn’t go to a video store and rent “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre”, or “The Excorcist” when I was a kid, there’s no way the staff there would have let me rent something like that. Now a kid can find even / much worse than that and download and watch it at the full ignorance of their parent(s), there is no intermediary to assess whether it’s a good idea or not; the child decides themselves. Add peer pressure and group thrills to the mix, and the likelihood of a child seeing something that they definitely shouldn’t be looking at is pretty high.

There would be a lot of people who would say “well that doesn’t apply to my children”, and they might be right, but it certainly applies to a lot of children, and the question is, what are they being normalised to?

Everything is happening so fast, that we don’t get time to stop and think about these things, or something new comes along and raises even bigger questions.

You guys spend way too much time on the Internet.

Yes. I spend more time on the internet than I do literally everything else. It’s why I’m on here all the time, because I’m on the internet most of the time. But I’m not looking at literally everything, and I mostly use it as a tool and for reference.

Is that healthy though? Doubt it.

The Library of Alexandria? How about this many:

https://chat.deepseek.com/share/jso5xolmdjpknnkmyh

OK, it’s perhaps not so fussy about how hallowed the information must be to pass through its doors, but now practically everything worth recording is being recorded, uploaded, and served.

What am I supposed to do? It’s a dilemma.

I was being snarky because I didn’t read anything you guys wrote.

Cop out. ? Some might call it a conspiracy but most people are past that. Because time is of the essence they get spaced out,

So much so that they get high conventionally to avid remembering they were the fire starters, and now the attempt to put out the smoke, mirrors a very oblique way of avoiding trycircling around the block.

By God they’ve been around that block so many times that the neurotic copies have worn so thick, as is the myopic distance between the printed , the print, and the printer have become a smudged recollection almost pre this :slightly_frowning_face:

Yes we get quite spaced out about it.

No one can keep up. If they say the can, then they are lying.

With knowledge of the Triad:
https://chat.deepseek.com/share/7osb39hgq5b77z5znv

And an answer to question using popular conventional wisdom:
https://chat.deepseek.com/share/wnglph2rd0h1sw77ev

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