The Reason for Living

The human life is a story.

The trick to writing a good story is to know your ending. Know how the tale finishes, and write up to it from the beginning.

We already know our beginning. We are born into this life with no reason to live other than existence itself; we are the continuation of a cosmic billiard move. We are the result of life attempting to replicate itself.

There is no apparent purpose in the human being other than to exist, to breathe, to eat, to fuck and to prolong the cycle.

We also know the end. We die. All greatness is reduced to nothing in the end; posterity is a mere vanity, the expression of an attempt to prolong life. It doesn’t work. The human host still dies. Poof. No more.

What, then, is the purpose of purpose? Human life becomes a mere game of whimsy. Six billion toddlers playing in a massive sandbox, each one attempting to build castles out of sand, out of dirt, out of nothing. Toddler minds wrap around this illusion of life, that they are somehow building something when they are essentially building nothing.

But this does not mean that human life is meaningless. No. Far, far, far from it. That something is only temporary makes it more meaningful. A summer fling leaving in fall. An ice sculpture. Cake.

The human experience here is temporary. We have absolutely no idea what came before or what’s coming after. It’s not important. The life unexamined is worth living, perhaps more so - because the game still seems real, the castles are made of stone and mortar, the dirt is wealth and the smiles are forever. The sensations seem real.

The sole reason of life beyond the mere impetus of existence - is the sensation of happiness. That is it. The simple answer is the answer. The human acts on want or need only as a secondary function; it acts firstly on the potential for happiness.

You can say, ‘Not me, no I desire other things.’

Yes, you desire other things that will make you happy. That’s all there is to it. Do you desire to be unhappy? Then that is what makes you happy.

Dreaming, we are all just blissfully, happily dreaming, reading a book, watching a movie, enjoying a play, listening to some animated music, songs and dance with some crying sprinkled on. Just when the play is over, someone replaces us in watching it. Someone picks up the book, reads it anew.

Who knows what’s on the other side when we wake up. Better enjoy the story while it’s still on.

Too much cake makes me sick.

I don’t eat cake.

To say that ‘happiness’ is the ‘purpose’ of a man’s existence is like saying that the purpose is ‘god’, the ‘after-life’, ‘progress’, ‘the future’, etc…

You are simply employing a word to satisfy your need to believe that your life is somewhat ‘meaningful’. Enjoying every moments of your existence is something that every animal do.

And what in the hell is ‘happiness’ after all? Animal satisfaction? Numbness? Tranquility? Contentment? Who told you that this term makes any sense at all?

Believing in god, afterlife, progress, the future, and everything else that you can think of as the human purpose boils down to happiness as the goal. Like you said, there is a ‘need’ to believe that life is meaningful; hence people ascribe meaning to their existence. It’s the way to sate this need. Satisfying this need to have a purpose adds ‘happy’ points to a person.

What is happiness? It is the after-effect of sensual satisfaction. Humans, as animals, have resource needs. We need this, we need that. When we get what we need, we feel ‘happy.’

Happiness is also incremental. I can be happy in some areas, have my needs satisfied in some areas and completely fail in some areas. Satisfaction and happiness in one area of life typically balances out dissatisfaction in other areas of life.

Of course, the amount we derive from need satisfaction differs from each other; while having a delicious meal after a hard day makes one happy, it probably won’t compare to having sex with three Victoria’s secret models. Unless you’re really, really hungry.

And what is meaning? Meaning cannot exist if people did not exist. Like morality, ethics, wisdom and every other human-related abstract concept, they could not exist without a consciousness to think them up. Doesn’t this immediately grant humans a meaningful existence? In our absence there is no meaning; in our presence there is.

And what’s wrong with employing words? Using words is suddenly bad because you don’t agree with what I’m saying?

hedonistic nihilism is often the refuge of the weak.

As a matter of fact, itlog is just summarizing here the ‘wisdom’ of the modern man, that is, since there is no more metaphysical or transcedental purpose to our existence, let’s ‘enjoy’ life while we can…

Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would surely poke fun at this position, but you can’t deny that we haven’t many an option available…

(by the way, what’s an ergo proxy?)

Yes it is. But what if the acquisition of strength is one’s definition of ‘happiness’? What if the need to be strong is satisfied?

I am not familiar with Schopenhauer, but wasn’t Nietzsche against ‘gravity’? “…it was the Spirit of Gravity - through him all things are ruined.”

Nietzsche despised the men whose highest ‘ideal’ is quiet, peaceful animal ‘satisfaction’, itlog.

He would consider you a shining example of the herdish mindset.

You know, Fabi, you can’t throw something out simply because Nietzsche despised it. He was just one man - he was certainly not a god.

There is something to be said for quiet, peaceful animal satisfaction. All lives are to be lived differently. Freddie probably would have despised Thoreau.

Take a look at the animals. A cat for instance. Do they usually represent what can be observed in the unquiet, frustrated, miserable, unhappy human being? No, they don’t. We can certainly learn from that peaceful animal’s satisfaction.

Just watch a cat all stretched out and perfectly content. He will look up at you and then stretch out again, then curl up and go to sleep. Ah, relaxation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that lifestyle.

Do you think that Nietzsche ever stretched out on the floor, looked up at someone he adored, and then curled up and went back to sleep. I think not. :laughing:

And if Nietzsche would consider me a shining example of the “herdish” mind set, can I please be a wolf? Please, please, please, Fabi? :laughing: Or perhaps a dragon…ah, don’t think they’re part of a herd.

Hahaha, I don’t think your little ad hom had its intended effect on me. If anything, it says something about you that you would project your weakness upon me.

I will not explain myself to you or tell you anecdotes about me. Instead let’s make assumptions, as you did, about you.

Nothing in my original post said anything about quiet, or peace. It talks about happiness. Happiness is not fluffy, or warm, or peaceful or quiet. Happiness is found in different guises and through different forms. Happiness does not equal fun. It is getting what you want out of life so that you will feel satisfied. To loosely paraphrase Herodotus, The strong do what they can to achieve happiness, while the weak cannot.

I would guess you are an unhappy person, perhaps owing to an unsatisfied need. You’re probably not strong enough to satisfy this need, hence you resort to sending off passive aggressive anonymous messages online. This makes you feel better, justifies your unhappiness. Congratulations, Fabie boy, you are the typical Internet Tough Guy.

I’m guessing you’re not getting what you want? You are the opposite of happy - you’re a sad, sad individual.

Itlog, :laughing:

just because I responded your question about Nietzsche you are not entitled to make so many flawed assumptions about me. I’m not an ‘internet tough guy’, I’m just a common man, not happy or unhappy, perfect or imperfect, just human.

What did you want me to tell you? That you have posted here a magnificent, uplifting description of the highest ideals of humankind?

Some months ago I even wrote here at ILP that personal peace might be the greatest achievement of a man’s life. Personal peace has something to do with this thread, doesn’t it?

I couldn’t care less about your personal life or your personal ‘happiness’. But I must be honest: when reading the op I did have the impression that you are the type of guy easily satisfied, what Nietzsche would call a genuine ‘happy’ sheep. No questioning, no trouble, no agony, no problem…just let yourself be led by the wind, satisfied like a mindless bird…

Everybody knows what their ‘happiness’ consist of, don’t they? :unamused:

arc,

if you remember, I’m no Nietzschean. I certainly don’t agree with everything Nietzsche said, and I acknowledge your ‘right’ to disagree with him (and with me) too…

… Did you even think about that before you wrote it, Fabie? I can easily say that just because you responded to my post does not entitle you to make so many flawed assumptions about me. But really, you and I are entitled to say anything we want.

Not really, no. You can say whatever you want, I respect that, but I can also say whatever I want. And my words still stand - I think you are projecting your weakness.

If that is what the post made me appear to be, then that’s fine. I can’t control your perception. Again, you are entitled to your own opinion about anything. Say whatever you want. I can also say whatever I want, and again I stand by what I said above, and that includes you being personally impotent, powerless, weak. Thus you talk about herds and sheep.

It’s like homophobes yammering on and speculating about who’s gay. They have personal issues, in their case with their sexuality, in your case with your power over life, and it comes out with the way they, and you communicate.

You can say that I’m projecting my weakness into you, but not really. My words simply constitute a mirror that shows you how powerless you are in life. I reflect what you show, and that is your inability to achieve happiness.

Sad. [Insert emoticon here]

“Projecting my weakness???” Why? How? For what? :-k

Are you insinuating that I am a frustrated guy who likes to poke fun at others’ ‘happiness’? Buy why would I do this? What would I achieve? [-X

Listen, itlog, I live every single day of my life as if it was the last one. I do not do this because I ‘want’ to do it, I’m forced to act like that. I do not plan the ‘future’, because ‘the future’ does not exist. If I have a reason to be glad, then I’m glad, if I don’t I don’t pretend that I’m glad, let alone ‘happy’.

You talk about ‘happiness’ like Christians talk about their god and like Nietzshce worshippers talk about the “Übermensch”…the word, despite its obvious vacuity, has become a fake idol for you.

You may think that my life is ‘sad’, but I think that yours is sadder, if you need to spend your life running after a mirage, something that exists only in your head…

:laughing: Guys, guys, guys.

The bell has rung.

Shake hands and walk to your respective corners.

It’s a draw. You both win or you both lose.

The audience has spoken. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
:unamused:

Yes, you poke fun at happiness. I don’t particularly care about your life, not because I’m implying that it sucks, more because I just can’t. I can’t be assed to do that to random e-strangers.

Mirage? All life is a mirage, that is the point of the entire post, not really happiness. But you were too busy projecting to read it.

Anyway, like Arctie said, this is over. Shake hands, well done, carry on.

It won’t be over till you understand that my life doesn’t ‘suck’, what happens is that I don’t make it any more comfortable by resorting to uplifting, ‘profound’ concepts devoid of all substance…

That was a really nice laid-back piece of work. I enjoyed reading it. There was something actually sweet about, I would say.

What it should teach us is that living in the moment is really the most important thing of all. “Vanity of vanities” everything eventually goes away, dies, including ourselves.

So just relax and enjoy life. That is not the same as running after the butterfly or in my case - the dragonfly - but when you see it or when it comes to you, enjoy it, be grateful for it. Allow life to allow you to follow your bliss but always to realize that it does not last - but it isn’t important that it last - what is important is simply the moment, and that is indeed the most beautiful thing the moment.

About this quote, ity, although perhaps when actually writing a book one must know the ending, I don’t know, I’m not an author. Or perhaps one eventually “walks” into an ending. But I dare say that in real life, if one were to know his/her ending, could that not detract from how the pages are written and how the characters interact and interrelate within the book called life? Yes, you might say that if we truly know the ending, it might help us to appreciate and be grateful and make all the right choices. But then again, isn’t it true that sometimes we can almost see how something might end. Someone once said that we do see what the outcome of things will be but we still choose to take that road, to make that decision, to go the way others might not, because we somehow also see that there is a lesson to be learned, and so it is truly the only decision to be made because we KNOW IT.

So again, my question would be, do we truly want to know the ending? To me, that might take all of the mystery and the expectation and the following of my bliss out of the equation.

Is a surfer’s bliss in riding that wave because he knows he will not fall or fail and that he will ride it to the end or is it because he has no idea where it will take him or how it will end. He is just riding the wave in that moment. That is Life. Whoopee!!!

Thank you Ity.

I understand fully what you are saying. I used to think like this, about a few months ago.

I guess my beliefs got distilled to its purest. You may or may not accept what I say, and when I say I don’t care I really don’t. It’s not that it’s because you’re a stranger, but because I understand where you are coming from. I even understand why you call me sheep. If I read this post, say, early January, I would have said the same to myself. However, being the writer of it, I am privy to nuances and implications that you probably will not pick up, owing to your rejection of it.

That’s fine. You can pick it apart if you want, but I’m afraid you won’t get the full gist of what I’m saying. You read into it what you want to, and therein lies the limitation of words. I merely provide an approximation of my thoughts, and again it passes through your approximation of what is actually being said. I don’t consider it profound at all - anyone can write something similar to this, and a lot probably has.

However, I find it interesting that you call it sheepish, when the understanding of it and what it implies is what creates wolves.

But Arctie, the end is known. It’s the only guarantee in life.

Ok, I guess we can finally get somewhere now.

Obviously, I didn’t mean to offend/slander you when I mentioned what would be Nietzsche’s probable reaction to ‘your’ views (that are not really ‘yours’ since you know that you have simply summarized here the wisdom of the modern man), especially when you remember that Nietzsche was extremely judgemental about the behaviour of common people, which he labelled ‘the herd’.

The problem with words, and what makes them so hollow and useless, is that we never really get to express everything we want with them. This is the reason why you decided to call me an ‘internet tough guy’ even though you hardly know anything about me…you thought my words were meant to offend you, when in fact what I wanted to express was the visible artificiality of the kind of idea you are expressing here.

This is the kind of thought we see everywhere, since we live in a world with no other socially accepted goal than the pursuit of pleasure. Such a pleasure (others may call it ‘happiness’) is the end-in-itself of our modern society.

My ‘goal’ in this life, if it may be expressed like that, is (self-)awareness. I don’t want to delude myself into thinking that I am ‘happy’, or that everything in this world brings ‘happiness’ to me. I cannot conceive a single possible meaning to this word, even though I know what it means to be (physically) satisfied.

(I guess you can easily see the logical connection here: I want awareness. The pursuit of pleasure has nothing to do with awareness, because the search for pleasure is irrational, blind, primitive. Therefore whenever you become a slave to the perpetual search for pleasure, you’re submitting yourself (like a sheep) to the shallow and stupid fake gods the masses thrive on building and worshipping…)

yet even this ‘ideal’ must be understood as a temporary and limited one. In the end, what we must always keep in mind is that we are merely a (vain) product of a meaningless event. Keeping this idea in mind, we always avoid deluding ourselves, and the sadness and pain which we always experience when such delusions are revealed.