The Resistance Begins

By Friday Trump will likely remove the tariff after the stock market plummets this week and declare victory claiming Canada made some kind of concession.

The buck stops here.

PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) — President Donald Trump said Sunday that Americans could feel “some pain” from the emerging trade wartriggered by his tariffs against Canada, Mexico and China, and claimed that Canada would “cease to exist” without its trade surplus with the United States.

The trade penalties that Trump signed Saturday at his Florida resort caused a mix of panic, anger and uncertainty, and threatened to rupture a decades-old partnership on trade in North America while further straining relations with China.

Trump on Sunday night returned from Florida and threatened to impose steeper tariffs elsewhere, telling reporters that the import taxes will “definitely happen” with the European Union and possibly with the United Kingdom as well.

He brushed aside retaliatory measures from Canada, saying, “If they want to play the game, I don’t mind. We can play the game all they want.” Trump said he plans to speak with his Canadian and Mexican counterparts on Monday.

By following through on his tariffs campaign pledge, Trump may also have simultaneously broken his promise to voters in last year’s election that his administration could quickly reduce inflation. That means the same frustration he is facing from other nations might also spread domestically to consumers and businesses.

“WILL THERE BE SOME PAIN? YES, MAYBE (AND MAYBE NOT!),” Trump said in a social media post. “BUT WE WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, AND IT WILL ALL BE WORTH THE PRICE THAT MUST BE PAID.

His administration has not said what specific improvements would need to be seen in stopping illegal immigration and the smuggling of fentanyl to merit the removal of the tariffs that Trump imposed under the legal justification of an economic emergency. But Trump, speaking to reporters after Air Force One, landed said that the trade imbalances with Canada and Mexico would also need to be erased as a condition for lifting the tariffs.

The president also tried to clarify his post about the possible inflation, saying on Sunday: “We may have in the short term, a little pain, and people understand that. But long term, the United States has been ripped off by virtually every country in the world.”

The tariffs are set to launch Tuesday and triggered confusion as Canada’s U.S. ambassador, Kirsten Hillman, told ABC News that her country was perplexed by the move because “we view ourselves as your neighbor, your closest friend, your ally.”

In his Truth Social post, Trump took particular aim at Canada, which responded with retaliatory measures. Trump is placing a 25% tariff on Canadian goods, with a 10% tax on oil, natural gas and electricity. Canada is imposing 25% tariffs, more than $155 billion Canadian (US$105 billion), on U.S. products, including alcohol and fruit.

Despite Trump’s assertions that the U.S. does not need Canada, one-quarter of the oil that America consumes per day is from its ally to the north. He reiterated his false claim that America subsidizes Canada by running a trade imbalance, a reflection in part of Canada exporting energy to the U.S.

Trump contended that without that surplus, “Canada ceases to exist as a viable Country. Harsh but true! Therefore, Canada should become our Cherished 51st State. Much lower taxes, and far better military protection for the people of Canada — AND NO TARIFFS!”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is encouraging Canadians to buy more Canadian goods, and says Trump’s moves will only cause pain across North America. More than 75% of Canada’s exports go to the U.S. Canada will first target alcohol, cosmetics and paper products; a second round later will include passenger vehicles, trucks, steel and aluminum products, certain fruits and vegetables, beef, pork, dairy products and more.

Canada is the largest export market for 36 states and Mexico is the largest trading partner of the U.S.

Mexico’s president, Claudia Sheinbaum, also announced new tariffs and suggested the U.S. should do more within its own borders to address drug addiction. She and Trudeau spoke after Trump’s announcement and agreed “to enhance the strong bilateral relations” between Canada and Mexico, according to the prime minister’s office.

The Chinese government said it would take steps to defend its economic interests and intends to file a lawsuit with the World Trade Organization.

For Trump, the open question is whether inflation could be a political pressure point that would cause him to back down. As a candidate, Trump repeatedly hammered Democrats over the inflation under President Joe Biden that resulted from supply chain issues during the coronavirus pandemic, the Biden administration’s own spending to spur the recovery and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Trump said his previous four years as president had low inflation, so the public should expect the same if he came back to the White House. But he also said specifically that higher inflation would stagger the U.S. as a nation, a position from which he now appears to be retreating with the promise of even more tariffs to come.

The U.S. president did not offer details Sunday about when he would impose tariffs elsewhere, but he said they would be coming “pretty soon” for the EU, which is also composed of U.S. allies.

Larry Summers, treasury secretary in the Clinton administration, said the tariffs were a “self-inflicted wound to the American economy.”

He told CNN’s “Inside Politics” that “on the playground or in international relations, bullying is not an enduringly winning strategy. And that’s what this is.” And the ultimate winner, Summers suggested, would be Chinese leader Xi Jinping because “we’ve moved to drive some of our closest allies into his arms” and “we’re legitimating everything he’s doing by violating all the international norms that we set up.”

Outside analyses make clear that Trump’s tariffs would hurt the voters that he intended to help, meaning that he might ultimately need to find a resolution.

An analysis by the Budget Lab at Yale shows that if the tariffs were to continue, an average U.S. household would lose roughly $1,245 in income this year, in what would be the overall equivalent of a more than $1.4 trillion tax increase over the next 10 years.

Goldman Sachs, in a Sunday analyst note, stressed that the tariffs go into effect on Tuesday, which means they’re likely to proceed “though a last-minute compromise cannot be completely ruled out.”

The investment bank concluded that because of the possible economic damage and possible conditions for removal “we think it is more likely that the tariffs will be temporary but the outlook is unclear.”

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By Josh Boak. Associated Press writers Michelle L. Price in New York and Rob Gillies in Toronto contributed to this report.

Don’t worry Trump, Neo-nazi Elon Musk and the other oligarchs will feel no pain from this move. Those who already are living paycheck to paycheck and those who depend on government assistance are ones that will suffer for Trumps ill conceived actions. People already suffering from layoffs and cuts to the Meals on Wheels, Job Corps and other programs will struggle to live as inflation increases due to the Trump tariffs and the resultant trade wars.

Billionaire Neo-Nazi has ceased illegal control of nations ‘checkbook’. Americans are about to find out how much the government has been doing for them as services they take for granted are removed.

It sounds to me that only a few people have access to something that should have transparency. And they’re freaking out that Elon Musk is gonna do with it what he did with Twitter and expose all the partisan corruption. I say, bring it on. How is he gonna do his job without access to this stuff?

This is the People’s checkbook! Transparency now!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-tariffs-25-percent-mexico-canada-trade-economy-84476fb2?reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

Conservative newspaper, the Wall Street Journal calls Trump’s tariffs the dumbest trade war in history.” Trump will impose 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico for no good reason.“

U.S. Stocks Bounce Back After Delay on Mexico’s Tariff Announced

The S&P 500 regained some of its losses from earlier in the day. Shares in Asian manufacturers and European carmakers tumbled on concern that tariffs will hurt trade and disrupt supply chains.

Trump is withdrawing his tariff threats of even faster than I predicted. I said he’d do it by Friday of this week. Mexican President Sheinbaum agreed to deploy 10,000 additional troops, who President Trump said would be designated to stop the flow of migrants and illegal drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border. Let’s see what happens with Canada and China. And most importantly to the majority of people who voted for Trump, let’s see what happens to the American economy.

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My first analysis of the helicopter/plane crash was: why is that helicopter flying straight towards, and then into, that plane… helicopters are pretty-manoeuvrable things, and yet it stayed on course towards a crash.

https://www.newsweek.com/blackhawk-helicopter-pilot-what-we-know-2024107

In a briefing with reporters on Thursday, Jonathan Koziol, chief of staff for Army aviation, said that the pilot commanding the flight was female with more than 500 hours of flight time. The male instructor pilot had over 1,000 hours of flight time, and the crew chief also had hundreds of hours of flight time.

Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy on X: “What happened today should never have happened. I want the families of the victims to know that they have my word: I will not rest until you have the truth. I will find answers to how this happened. I have directed every relevant agency to immediately investigate what went wrong, and I will not tolerate delays or bureaucratic excuses. If there was negligence, incompetence, or failure anywhere in the system, we will find it—and I will fix it. I will provide further updates as we uncover the facts.”

Why do the parents of the third/female ‘commanding’ pilot not want her name released, even though that goes against official protocol for all such incidents.
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Rumour has it they might have been trans… If so, did they pull a Hinton?

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The American public should know where their tax dollars have been going to and to whom/what.

The federal department panicking over this matter is a giant red flag… all government expenditure should be held accountable to the government and to its citizens, across all departments.

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…for no good reason? :laughing:

To the extent Musk can be said to have a job in the administration, he has no authority to shut down USAID. Neither does Trump. Congress controls the federal budget, and it is Trump’s job to execute that budget as instructed by Congress. Trump does his job by ensuring that the money gets spent as appropriated by Congress, not by giving carte blanche to an unelected, unvetted private citizen.

… which is illegal. Trump‘s strategy is to challenge Congress and the courts to stop him. The power of enforcement lies with the Executive branch. The legal process is slow. The Republicans hold a majority in both houses of Congress. My focus in this thread is to look for where the opposition and resistance comes from. History shows that appeasement won’t work against fascism. Trump‘s strategy of flooding the zone to create shocking all in his opponents won’t last. But it’s having a devastating affect at the moment.

Bush can do this:

But Trump can’t appoint Musk & Ramaswamy to run the department of government efficiency?

Uh… Yeah, he can.

They’re violating the congressional power of the purse. That’s unconstitutional.

There’s no such thing as DOGE. They are operating only under Trump’s executive authority.

Isn’t that how all of the departments are operating? …under somebody’s authority? Do any of the departments actually exist? What does it mean to exist?

Does space force not really exist?

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@felix… the tariffs were put there to help counter the drugs and child/people/sex-trafficking problem, by forcing those country’s hands to tackle the situation instead of them continuing to let them proliferate.

This is the exact ‘argument from ignorance’ aka ‘disinformation’ that is coming from a disgruntled-Left, that Zuckerberg et al are helping quell, that I mentioned earlier and in the other Trump threads.
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The guy is doing good, but all he’s getting is grief.

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some of the good reason seems to be:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/canada-and-trump-reach-a-border-deal-that-delays-tariffs-for-at-least-30-days/ar-AA1ylViD

I bet his negotiation strategy is all there in “the art of the deal“

Trump has used the typical strategies of a demagogue. demagogue (/ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/; from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγόςleading, leader),[1] or rabble-rouser ,[2][3] is a political leader in a democracy who gains popularity by arousing the common people against elites, especially through oratory that whips up the passions of crowds, appealing to emotion by scapegoating out-groups, exaggerating dangers to stoke fears, lying for emotional effect, or other rhetoric that tends to drown out reasoned deliberation and encourage fanatical popularity.
Trump has exaggerated the crimes of undocumented workers in the United States in order to stoke the indignation of Americans against them. He failed to acknowledge progress made by the Biden administration during the last to decrease the number of immigrants entering the country over the past 12 months after Trump encouraged Republican lawmakers not to pass a bill that would’ve further improved the situation.

Trump reached deals and declared victory quicker than I predicted above. I predicted it would happen by Friday this week. He had to jump on it quicker because the stock market immediately plunged. All this to make it look like he’s doing something. Whether it will have any actual positive effect on the economy, which is what people elected him to do remains to be seen. Meanwhile, it keeps him front and center of the news cycle, which has been the focus of his winning strategy since he entered politics.

I told you, democrats love those, drugs and people trafficking. Ever notice how they always resist efforts to stop these things?