The Trump Vs Sanders Debate is going to happen!

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I don’t think we are going to see a true Democrat vs Republican debate with Hillary as the nominee, it will mostly be positioning and acting shocked on Hillary’s part, trying for voters who can’t swallow Trump’s bombastic nature, or playing race games… only chance she has is if she gets every minority on board, and all women, against Trump.

It certainly won’t be a campaign of ideas, but of Hillary struggling to get the shock & racial distrust votes, vs Trump launching bottle rockets at her on stage (which indeed has its virtues, all of us deep down inside want to see her running and screaming from them on TV, even if you support her).

Bernie and Trump provides the basis for seeing what Democracy really should look like, not a candidate running against a queen, but a actual class of ideological ideas… one not really seen much anymore in America.

Its hard to actually say what the Republican position on economics is, now the conservatives, like the evangelicals before them often have come to know, merely being a part of the Republican coalition is no guarantee of asserting your ideas on a party platform. We may see cracks emerge on the conservative front, between big city conservatives and rural ones on economics. Its not unknown for capitalism and socialism to reconcile, countries like Sweden have lower corporate tax rates than the US while being largely socialistic. It might occur there is room for the two to agree upon certain ideas, while defining where we actually stand apart as a country ideologically. It provides a third party platform for Bernie’s faction as well, which may grow larger over the years and become a political force capable of breaking deadlocks and influencing Congress, like The Tea Party has. It is a very exciting time. One that Hillary is utterly incapable of providing, as she isn’t running on ideas, but rather her entitlement to be president, and playing games with racial tensions her party creatively stokes.

Democracy really should be more than Democrats playing brown shirt tactics, attacking political rallies like the KKK. It should be a debate of ideas, what truly is best for America and our future… not get angry cause a politician says if you look like this or that in a mirror, you should vote for them. That is the murky cesspool of politics, firmly entrenched in the Hillary camp. Notice there isn’t really any debate on ideology in this election? Republicans had a revolution, but Democrats have failed to respond in kind. Its absolute ideological stagnation. A death of democracy. Trump and Sanders provide a chance for America to see how presidential debates should be done… on the basis of ideas, respect for the other candidate, with a eye to a better future both sides can come together to examine, point by counterpoint. It is the only chance before November to see this, as Hillary will be wearing her crown all the way up till her defeat, no matter how bad she slips in the polls. She is above democracy, if your Black, Hispanic, or a woman, you must kowtow to her or be a traitor to your race. Pick up some rocks and attack some Trump rallies in the name of tolerance and political correctness!

Thats what we have to look forward to. I really wish this could of been a Trump vs Sanders campaign, we could of better defined the nation’s current differences. Maybe in 2024 we will have a better democratic president. If trends continue, they will be in a massive minority in Congress though. What Bernie has started might take over, chucking the old establishment and their Sicko Ways to the wind.

Not gonna happen.

Fuck.

And why is it not gonna happen?

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Because Trump’s a little pussy-ass-bitch, like so many of his disciples.

Big fucking surprise.

Hilary’s got bigger balls than that pathetic little excuse for a man - at least she debated Sanders.

Of course she debated him, but barely. That was the whole point of this debate.

And of course Hillary has a bigger pair, it’s why Bill was with Monica, he wanted a woman. You have to have a really big pair of balls to attack an American ally (Libya), assure his execution, and ignore the pleas of your own ambassador in Libya for protection that you 100% beyond a doubt can provide (The Red Feather company of our Airborne in Italy have to be ready to deploy in 1 hour… the red feather company responsibility is rotated through all airborne troops on every base, a plane always on standby, and Libya isn’t that far from Italy. Thats just normal paratroopers, you have SF, Marines, Army Helicopters, Air force A-10s, Air force a lot of things… hours of pleading to that fucking bitch and she still let him die). Oh yeah, let’s not forget ISIS.

She has a amazing pair of hefty hairy lumberjack balls to run for president on her record as Secretary of State, she is a proven disaster.

“What Difference Does It Make!”

No fucking way on a idiot war monger like her… she is the only candidate with this track record. Both Bernie and Trump lean towards isolationism, which traditionally when countries do this involves pulling back troops, building them up, and staying put yet scary looking… as in beefed up, on the defensive. A wall is hardly a bad idea for such a state.

What state did you go to school in? I"d like to start tracking the idiocy of the forum members with their so-called educational backgrounds. It will give me a lot of insight into the failings of each state’s system.

Oh yeah, a wall’s a great idea. The perfect solution to the non-problem of Mexican immigrants stealing US jobs and raping our women. Indeed. Even better will be the added debt the country will need to go into in order to pay to build it, alongside the inevitable huge cut in taxes, the massive cost of his characteristically vague promise to “ramp up the military” (whatever that means), and the astronomical price tag for his promise to round up and deport 11.7 million undocumented people (a huge expansion of federal bureaucracy that will make enacting Obamacare look like fixing a pothole).

What state did YOU go to school in? i like your idea about analyzing the idiocies of other ILP denizens.

Oh and you’re right, Trump’s promise to carpet bomb ISIS (yeah, that’ll work!), his threats to torture terror suspects and murder their families (genius! the perfect solution to terrorism!), his bloviating about how he’s going to strongarm Iran into compliance (uhh . . . right), his frankly bizarre, ad hoc, stream-of-conscious, and frighteningly uninformed maundering about middle east policy more generally, his rabid desire to kick off a trade war with China (wait, if we do that, who’s gonna lend us the money for the bombs?), and his unrequited bromance with America’s dear ally Vladimir Putin are the perfect alternative to the Hilary doctrine. i can’t wait! Me and Joker (HaHaHa) will be sharing a bucket of popcorn while the nation goes down in flames.

Somebody put on their grumpy diaper today!

Yeah, sucks that Trump isn’t going to debate Sanders, it would have been great. I can’t believe anybody took it seriously to begin with.

Trade War already is going on under Omama, we just put massive steel tariffs on China. Should of been done under Bill Clinton.

Wall is being built, no way around this, and a lot if jobs are lost. It isn’t merely a case of them being “stolen”, but the site effects of non-investment of that currency back into the local and national economy directly as US workers do. Its being sent back to Mexico. Foreign labor at slave wages also suppress innovation, it’s why our native population here can’t adapt to jobs done by Mexicans, such has picking crops… it’s brutal, primitive work, next to no innovation since the 19th century for this aspect of agriculture. We lack the pioneers to update it, as it’s given to second class illegal workers who won’t invest in it new innovations… they have no connection to the land, many don’t connect with their employers, much less give a damn, so any ideas that pop into their heads to improve things is chucked out the window.

The battle for the wall is a battle for equality, most won’t be deported no matter how we try, but once up we can much better integrate those we have into the US, as well as extinguish the overland routes for the drug trade. Tunneling underground has been stopped between Egypt and Gaza… and for the kind of tunnels being constructed between the US and Mexico it’s even easier to detect using medieval anti-mining methods to detect the vibrations from digging… the solution is very inexpensive.

This will reduce crime and poverty significantly on both sides of the borders, as the cartels implode. People can invest their wealth into their home areas, instead of seeking the far and distant to do so, cash will be laundered far less, stabilizing out banking structure… likely leading to economic growth and more taxes. Those qualified to work in the US can be registered as legal alien workers, on a seasonal basis if need be, or longer stay, as it should be done. They will receive high pay, get much better rights, especially in the courts.

It is a win-win for everyone. Unless you support drug lords, poverty, racism, ignorance, and crime in general, in which case it is terrible, and you should continue suppressing their human rights though voting for Hillary. She is like the guy in crack houses who toss people cookies on the floor after they start getting for food afterwards. Thats not what showing your humanity means.

In regards to bombing Muslims, families, lass of warfare prohibit this, and congressional laws, including yearly classes for all troops, prohibits troops from following through. Killing the family members of terrorists has never worked, Israel comes the closest in the old policy of destroying the property of the families who kids turned to terrorism. This is marginally successful from a pragmatic standpoint at best… and Israel has ground access to these sites.

In order for us to do this, we would not only have to convince every soldier to violate the law, which 99.9% won’t, your more likely to gave US troops shootingbat one another in stopping this implementation than being successful in doing it… we would have to substantially increase our spy and data analysis efforts to find these families, and target them. I’m guessing the CIA can handle this information if significantly boosted, but wouldn’t be able to convince the Air force to follow suit on bombing civilians just cause a close relative was a terrorist. CIA has a very limited air wing, best chances are stones, but will need hosted nearby in a Muslim Country to do this. I doubt a Muslim country will agree to such a thing. Or a Christian, or a Jewish, or Buddhist, or even Satanic. You might get enough deep racists cobbled together from a questionnaire across the Marine Corps and Army to cobble together a few companies of SS wannabes, but I really doubt the Congressional Oversight Committee is gonna overlook this. Delta Force could do it, has done it, but only once, and it was against just one guy, Pablo in Colombia… andbthat was only after the drug lord attacked the Colombian Supreme Court with heavy mech units.

I severely doubt however that they would go along with thus, as they are elite soldiers, very well educated, and very experienced in war, who prefer high level kills than women and children. The idea of holding Women and Children hostage in concentration camps was started under the Boers, while effective, it requires the ability to go and pick these people up in the first place, and substantial facilities to hold them… which requires a massive firebase somewhere.

Plain and simply, it isn’t happening. We know where some of the wives to ISIS’ top leaders are, they are very publically living in exile. Trump knows this, he is merely stating it because it aligns with the sense of Obama’s policy bring utterly direction less and it angers everyone. He has fucked up even on the smallest things, such as training a Syrian Army (knew something was wrong when I couldn’t find the Jordanian training camp (didn’t exist as advertised) or grasp the point on sending units in piecemeal instead of at brigade strength well funded. It was deeply idiotic and disturbing, I could of achieved better results just heading over and training guts myself… any former soldier for that matter. Obama’s policy is one of severe incompetency, and has been a utter humanitarian disaster.

Russia has and is working with the US sometimes, I think under Trump he will just go the direction if a direct alliance with Assad through Putin, with US backing the Kurds and Arabs opposed to ISIS. If Assad fucks up, middle down Assad’s Ass. Think Putin gets Trump wouldn’t hesitate to do it. I doubt the war will last long. I do think we will have terrorism in the area for decades however, including child soldiers. When I hear Trump make these statements, I write it off as strong man bargaining positions for gaining the electorate and getting his way with foreign powers once in office. If people think he us this baddass, they are less likely to test him, or push political gambles like everyone has with Obama. Trump already said he will rely on specialists in the military to advise him… the very best. They will say stuff similar to what I have said, but with more insight and gravitas. Trump knows he wasn’t a soldier, but did attend military school. He gets the basic idea.

I would like to give Kerry limited credit, for not making any bad mistakes yet as Secretary of State like Clinton has. I honestly was expecting him to be a complete fuckup like Hillary was, but seems to be plating it safe. Unfortunately, playing it safe isn’t the best if your a superpower in war time, you gotta take risks to come to genius solutions in diplomacy and statecraft, such as putting together a decent coalition that can get the job done fast and thereby save lives on every side, but I can take playing it safe if it means no more accidental invasions of another country, like when we conquered Libya. I mean, honestly people, WTF… we conquered a country because of peer pressure and uncertainty regarding what to do. You toss the opposition E-Tools, Anti-Vehicle wire (it will stop even tanks) and some anti-tank guns with SF andvaitlr support… say don’t go past this point, then mediate a ceace fire, bring in UN peace keepers. We didn’t need to kill Qaddafi, he was freaking out from the rebellion regarding the Arab Spring. He will calm the fuck down if he sees someone else tempirazing them. We would still be in negotiations, he would be running his stupid mouth… but that’s what big countries do if they act at all. We didn’t even have to do that. We just walk around, blowing shit up cause Hillary and Obama are running shit like a bunch of scared and confused amatures. Really makes me sick.

Your misplaced fear in Trump, I have times 1000 regarding Hillary. She has the track record as a shithead. Trump is all talk, and indicated he would inquire to his top specialists regarding these things. Pentagon’s job is to be ready to bring war once ordered, but it isn’t their philosophy. They would be the first to applaud diplomacy over knee jerk invasions and massacres. Even if you could solve everything through tanks and strikes, andvI seriously doubt you can, I think they would mostball be the first to question if you should.

Isis is exxon’s fault. They made deals in “Kurdistan”, or northern Iraq as the rest of the world besides those Kurds call it to pump out all the oil, and when they started doing so, suddenly “crazy religious zealots who hate America” just came out of nowhere and for no reason started attacking everyone there and so then yeah…now we’re dealing with that.

Same shit happening in Nigeria right now. Hopefully we can see 100/barrel oil by the end of the year and I can take some of my gains off the XOM and roll it back into the trading account. The dividends are nice and all and I like to hold some shares and DRIP for the compounding over time, but when something spikes it’s good to take some profits and look for some short term gains without reducing the overall value of your buy and hold stuff.

Exxon is run by faggots. ISIS realises this and is now killing faggots wherever they can as an act of retaliation. Understandable.
They are also killing other Muslim sects and Christians and what not as well because of Exxon. Understandable.
ISIS people are just like anybody else. All humans are born the same.
They just need good edumucation and be freed from the Western capitalistic exploitation oppression system.
Then they will return to living peaceful lives as have their ancestors for thousands of years.
Just this evil Western oppression, man, I swear.

ISIS is based south of the Iraqi Kurdish area, and the oil trade goes through Turkey. This is like blaming the violence in Mexico on Walmart in Texas. Furthermore, I would like your analysis about what has suddenly become so changed regarding Nigeria’s oil industry in relation to Book Haram. I suspect you don’t follow Nigerian news as I do, I’m not certain, too lazy to check, but I am likely the only person on this site previously to even mention Nigeria’s gas exporting business. I’ve even made a mockumentry about Lagos’ Port Authority on another site, as well as their lame ass space agency (they have five satellites).

It is ISIS, not Isis, ISIS is a acronym for this so-called Islamic State. Furthermore it is Exxon, or ExxonMobile, not exxon, as it is a proper name and is required to be capitalized.

Mr. Spellcheck my ass.

Both you guys are racist.

It’s also exxon mobil. Not mobile.

Also, the wiki page for Rex Tillerson says that he’s married and has kids and is a christian so I don’t think he’s a faggot. Are christians allowed to be gay? Can a gay person have kids?

O:)

I think racist doesn’t quite cut it with me, at least white sooopreeemist.

So you think they are killing homosexuals not because of Exxon?
Don’t go all Islamophobe here now.

…Can’t take this guy seriously…

It’s even encouraged to be gay by many local shitty faggy pastors, not even to mention that snivelling pope.
And yes Mr Confused, homosexual people can have kids. Homosexual doesn’t mean that they are sterile and neither does it bar them from adoption, at least not everywhere. Totally gender-confused.

You can’t be a homo and have a kid. You’d at least have to be bi.

Yes you can.
Thanks to Marxist identity politics you can identify as anything you want and change it anytime you want.
The reverse is also the case -

You should be familiar with this.

You two need to get a room, the sexual tension is causing this thread to turn awkward.

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This is some seriously funny shit. Republicans say “You are not welcome here, and we are going to deport as many of you as we can get our hands on, but first we need you to vote for us. Please vote for us. After all, we love tacos!”