Yes, choice the illusion of an illusion, a useful fiction of the ego.
Creationism it isā¦
Why do you people hide your slavishness?
Recovering Abrahamics, who pretend to have advancedā¦as it was determined.
Like when Adam āchoseā to contradict Godās will, according to godās will.
Was not Satan also determined by Godās will, to be the trickster?
Why blame meā¦?
Of course, when considering āfree-willā using dietary preferences is a way of tilting the balances, because we are biologically inclined, ācompelledā as the dumb cunt would say, to choose to eat biomatter, rather than stones and wood.
Our options are limited by our biology, and are further limited by our particular biology, which weāve inherited, and further limited by our cultural influences, preferring certain foods prepared and presented in certain ways.
Our will is ācompelledā as the stupid cunt would say, by all these factorsā¦reducing possibilities and increasing the probability of a particular choice.
this is why hypocritical simpletons prefer to sue these examples.
The real test of free-will is when we are confronted by unprecedented, for us circumstances.
When we are faced with novelty and are forced to make snap decisions.
This is where the natural selection of judgment becomes crucial to adaptationā¦an important part of what is called ānatural selection.ā
This is when the quality of our mind comes into play.
Why else would we even evolve such an ability if all were determined?
To choose chicken over fish?
To select the nice assed girl and not the fat ass?
Noā¦
If, like the forum retardās henchman claims, free-will is an āillusionāā¦ parroting the crap heās heard or read in a book, then why is it even necessary?
If man is no different than a plantā¦ or worse, a pebble, a dew drop, a speck of dust on a rhinoās ass crack, why was it even necessary to evolve perceptions and judgement, to create the illusion of agency?
Is existence sadomasochistic?
Back to creationism, no douchebags?
Back to all those comforting superstitions.
See why I said you are all recovering Abrahamicsā¦ as was Schopenhauer and Nietzsche.
Itās hard letting go of a comforting lie.
Many atheists cannot come to terms with the implications.
āGod is deadāā¦ but what of all the good shit he made possible?
Like preserving our innocenceā¦ our childlike carefreenessā¦
What of eternal returnā¦ I mean eternal life?
What shall we do without all that nice stuff that came with god?
The level of discourse on ILP have not improvedā¦
How could it?
Look whoās running this dumpā¦a manchild that believes human evolution begins and ends in Africa, to accommodate his delusions that there are no racial differences, and that environmental challenges do not natural select IQ.
The only rule is ā¦no spammingā¦meaning no post without commentary, no matter how obtuse.
Keepinā the level highā¦even that rule is selectively enforced.
Iād like to think it wasnāt my fault that things progressively went to crap, according to many views on it.
Why do you always blame yourself?
Youāre like the reverse of these fuckers.
They never blame themselves, always blame other for their lifeās circumstances ā¦whereas youā¦ the reverse.
I wouldnāt call them fuckers.
I call them mentally ill.
Different words, different concept.
The last thing one should do is be rude.
I think we should even be polite to our enemies.
Thatās where I cannot agree.
Must remember that these fuckers and their illness, are responsible for how fucked up the world is.
Respect is earned.
Theyāve done nothing to earn my respect.
Oh my god. What the hell?
Satyr youāre truly bonkers, mate.
MagsJ (and which one are you again from the old days? Eryone I liked changed their damn name.)
I argue that compatibilism is a major cope.
I donāt necessarily refute some of its positive claims.
For example, we do make choices, deliberate, and have reasons for what we do. None of that has to go away. And the Compatibilists calls this the kind of free will āworth wanting.ā
I donāt know or care really whatās āworth wantingā as far as the discussion goes.
Iām fixated on the metaphysical logic of it, and the very real social consequences of getting the logic wrong.
Compatibilism is a bit like a broken clock being right twice a day.
We certainly can feel morally responsible and we can feel others are morally responsible, and if both parties agree, the Compatibilist would say āwhat difference does it make if they were determined/random or otherwise not in possession of sufficient control to have done otherwise? Who cares what the real sourcehood is?ā
To that Iād say āI care.ā I believe in the instrumentalism of wise deterrent and incentives, and even if expressed as reactive attitude if thatās whatās needed.
But I take major issue with backward looking blame and praise and how it translates to punishment and reward, i focus on the balance between what is needed for social functioning and what is done because of an illusory sense of control Gā BDMR.
I have engaged with Compatibilist thought for years and Iām happy to discuss it or counter it if you donāt think I have yet.
Compatibilism is premature pragmatism.
I think itās synthetic freedom that we opt into as a shared illusion to justify inequality and/or the delicious indulgence of punishment of others or lionization of the self.
I take my cues from Pereboom, Caruso, and Galen Strawson. Not Sam Harris and Sapolsky, although they are not wrong.
And thereās the humanitarian angle.
Natureās injustices must be absolved by convincing ourselves that we are all equally impotent.
Bonkers is youā¦mate.
But, do carry on.
Your insanity is ubiquitous in the American west.
as long as you behave contrary to what you sayā¦Iām cool.
There is no ābonkerās ā¦mateā¦not in your worldview.
No errorā¦
Even the "instrumentationā of blame is all part of what has been determined.
Abrahamism has created an equally deluded and opposite psychosis.
Has Gamerās thinking āa lot about free-willā been determined, or does he choose to do so?
Will he continue to choose to do so until he receives the answer he desires, or has it been determined that his thinking, a lot, will continue until, such time, that it has been determined for it to stop?
Do I have a choice to continue posting my ābonkersā posts on ILP, or will I continue to do so, until the time determined for it to stop?
Naw bro, morality (beyond your fetish collective-worship love) is really about aligning consciousness to the truth. To reality. This is why moral actions can and easily do, all the time, thwart so-called collective interest. Because they are centered around individual interest and its actually real and meaningful truth-relations.
You have become monotonous and boring, not that it will stop you from appealing to a few straggling vagrants here and there. But why settle for dregs? You are a wannabe cult leader, so act tough. Be better, try harder. I am sure you can get some real members if you pull your shit together!
Stop acting and start being. Speak some real shit, not regurgitated li(n)es weāve seen from you verbatim for the last 15 years. I mean, holy fuck. How actually unoriginal are you really?? I mean, damn man.
Trick or treat?
Truth or dare?
You could do neither if God isnāt here.
Itās not his fault you repeatedly choose the same baloney over & over & over ad infinitum.
The fault would be if there was no always already fire to completely consume all the nihil in your delayed wake.
last laugher
All this obsession with free-will is a consequence of Americaās decline.
All the Americanized psychotics, born and raised on US bullshyte, concerning its messianic benevolence, and its all-inclusive freedoms, are now feeling alienated from their past naive selves.
The US was supposed to save mankindā¦ from itself; from natureās injustices.
Like those who were born and raised on the bullshyte of Abrahamic superstitions, suddenly losing their trust, their faith in the lies they had once relied uponā¦and yet, are still unable to overcome.
A psychological trauma reacting in an opposite, equally irrational, denial of everything they once held sacred.
Land of the braveā¦home of the freeā¦
Land of cowardice and denial of freedomā¦the revolution has started.
For example:
Christianityās weaponization of shame & guilt, created a psychological reaction in atheists, adopting the equal and opposite weaponization of shamelessness & guiltlessness.
Slaves released from their bonds will be their own worse masters.
Guiltlessness brings us to free-willā¦ .because thatās what it means.
To not feel guilty, ashamed, of what youāve done to yourself, and with your life.
They want to feel innocent - without the mitigation of a saviour. They want to absolve themselves of shame and guiltā¦all responsibility. They want to become children, without a cosmic fahter-figure watching over them.
They want to feel saved, without submitting to the Abrahamic salvation myth.
Actually, it disarms that weapon, but of course the shamers (like yourself) paint the opposite picture.
Which meansā¦you need others to feel shame, in order to numb your own.
Like the mother who would rather rip the baby in half than let someone else enjoy motherhood.
What is the origin of such pain and shame, and the unwillingness to be free of it?
Shift.
Are we FREE to believeā¦ or COMPELLED to follow the evidence where it leads?
what force/content distinction triggers:
objective strength/force of argument CONTENT is 100% if deductive, regardless subjective willingness to follow it to its conclusion (where it leads)(so, on pain of rationality)
Cognitive bias/distortion assuages cognitive dissonance (rational pain).
Another angle of the same defensiveness, can be drawn from Americaās decline.
All those that had benefited from the US raping and pillaging the worldās resources, maintaining its trickle down lifestyles, are now distancing themselves from their participation.
They voted in all those liars and figureheads, or endured them in silence, as they toppled governments and bombed nations to submission.
All in the name of āfreedomāā¦slavaiton.
Now they want to claim that they could not have done anything about it. they could not have chosen to do other than what they didā¦so they feel guiltless and shameless.
Nothing to regret.
They didnāt really have freedom, you see.
Their freedoms were illusory.
American apologetics.
Where is this techno-utopia the US was supposed to establish across the globe?
Disillusionment, disappointment, resorts to excuses and word games.