Thinking a lot about free will

The prevailing definition that ‘freedom’ means ‘independence’ from causality, is how the modern man deals with his own participation in the determination of his own fate.
It is victim psychosis looking for a new linguistic method to preserve its Abrahamic coping.

Just as ‘power’ does not mean omnipotence, but describes a relationship, so does ‘freedom’ refer to a relationship.
Just as knowledge does not mean omniscience, but refers to an appreciation of patterns, so does ‘freedom’ refers to the acknowledgment of one’s own strength relative to other.

First is the act…not the word.
The act is represented by the word…Will.
Will is not illusory…we all experience it in ourselves - even if after the fact - and in others.
Every biological action has an intent - Will.

That which is not alive has no intent - no-Will.
Our intents need not be conscious.
We judge and choose and act, way before our consciousness becomes involved.
We consciously impose upon our unconsciousness a particular behaviour, based on precedent. That is, we learn and based on this accumulated learning we adjust our actions - we adapt. We train ourselves.
We cultivate ourselves, over time.
If we fail to do so, we repeat the same actinos…resulting in the same consequences…which we then try to distance ourselves from by claiming that our failure was really inevitable.
We did not fail to learn and adapt, but we could not have ever done anything other than what we did.

A cope out…the mind finding excuses to explain why it failed to perceive, to learn, and to control itself.

The underlying mythos of free-will denial?
That the cosmos is absolutely ordered…another way of saying divine totalitarian authoritarian dominance.
All is ordered and so all is in accordance with a set of laws governing existence.
Divine Laws become natural Laws.
All is knowable…all is predictable…because all is in accordance with laws.

But what are Natural Laws other than how humans have perceived and understood nature?
What of chaos?

No, not complexity, concealing order…actual chaos.

All is energy…but not all energy is patterend…ordered…
Only the parts ordering organisms can perceive.

Out of chaos order emerges.
Ancient knowledge.
Out of ΧΑΟΣ the “world” emerges…and back to it, it returns, in an endless cycle.
Comic cycles we call universes.

The “world” is man’s subjective interpretation of order - the perceptible.
Order = energy pattern
Every kind of pattern is interpreted as a different kind of particle…different types of matter.

One word bro:

cheeseburgers

End. Of. Story. Amen :joy: :rofl: :banana_dance: :banana_dance: :banana_dance: :banana_dance: :banana_dance:

If my objective was not the truth but to promote collectivism, how would I unify all men?
I would use the negative.

I would use a definition of power that no man could ever attain, so as to then “argue” that all men are powerless, or, to put it in leftist context, that all men are EQUALLY powerless.
I would define power as I would define the imaginary state of omnipotence.
A criterion no man could ever hope to meet.
Convincing them that all men are equally feeble and powerless.

If I wanted to convince them that all men are equally ignorant, and IQ differences do not divide…I would use a negative to unify all of them
I would define knowledge and understanding as I would the imaginary state of omniscience.
Convincing men of disparate intellects that they are no different than the retard…because nobody can ever be omniscient, right?

How, then, would I convince such gullible, needy men, that all men are equally dependent, equally victims of unknown powers?
I would define freedom in a way that no mortal man can ever attain.
I would define independence in ways that only an imaginary being, a god, would be able to claim.

A mass manipulation trick, promoting leftist ideals…
You think you are smarter than the average moron?
Well, mister, if you are not omniscient then you are not.
Prove that you are omniscient or admit that you and a retard are equally ignorant.

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No offense. I just don’t read Satyr. I see his long double posts with the weird line break but I’ve never actually read them. Maybe once like 20 years ago. What is in those posts? Is it supposed to be subversive or satanic? I must have read a few a long time ago and thought ok so what is this about. What’s his shtick. I think I might have read one or two and decided there was no there there. I like the name. The avatar is kind of cool. I don’t get the writing. But he posts a LOT. Can someone give me the Satyr tldr? For like, all of Satyr?

Yeah I hear you but just because they are not ultimately responsible I still think what’s at play is fear and dishonesty. So when I say lying pussies I’m actually hypothesizing where Compatibilism comes from. I’m not blaming anyone, but I’m trying to explain why we have it, proximally speaking, what forces coalesce, and some of them seem to be fear and dishonesty. Maybe dishonesty because of fear, but could also be from ignorance or selfishness.

As for leaving room for it being right, well, this is just stylistic quibbling. For inductive stuff of course there’s room to be wrong. But it’s either caused or random, and neither are sufficient for the kind of basic deservedness moral responsibility that many people believe exists. And this belief leads to many harms. It may also lead to benefits. Nonetheless, it’s not a coherent claim. Deservedness is more of a sham than most people know or want to admit.

This has many ramifications. Urgent ones. This makes me emotional and so when I say lying pussies I’m trying to convey that sense of urgency and emotion.

You’re really creepy. You just did omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence as a harmonic triad… and you sounded like you were dissing it the whole time. Creepy good.

Is there a name for what you do?

Collectivism, communism, socialism, fascism, even capitalism, these are for the most part outdated terms that no longer apply to the real world today.

I recommend stop thinking in the terminology and concepts of 100+ years ago, before anything remotely like what exists today in the world had yet come to be.

The massive wealth, integrations of capital, the technologies of productivity and interconnectivity let alone of surveillance and control (both brute and subtle) and the general coming-together of ALL power structures across any and all domains, the ‘grand unification’ of everything powerful, influential, global-scale wealth and ownership… yeah.

Everyone has a microcomputer in their hand that surveils them, tracks them, manipulates their mind, feeds them highly individualized propaganda, the entire world can be controlled and pushed in a single direction at the push of a button from those on high… people are mesmerized by agitprop to the point their brains turn to mush and they only have energy for netflix and chilling or playing app games, at least when they’re not “social media” self-hypnotizing themselves into a narcissistic stupor of low IQ consoomerism.

Nationalism is dead, it has been dead long now. But it is still a useful tool, idea, image to manipulate the masses. Like with Trump. People who have no idea what is really coming down the line for them in the near future, in terms of truly advanced technology capable of reaching into their brains, minds, souls… not just into every corner of their personal and professional lives as it already does.

But sure, let’s keep playing silly games of “individualism vs collectivism”, let’s keep “fighting the commies” :rofl: :joy: Obviously no sane person wants anything to do with communism, but that is not the point. The point is… well if you think the great reset is communist you’re going to be in for a surprise.

Because Musk loves you and your free will :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Wait for your crypto-bro vision pro neuralink meta cbdc web3 personalized slavemachine to be delivered, you’ll gleefully put it on and never take it off.

“Own nothing and be happy.” They have been telling it to your face. And no, Trump and any other republitard or politician is not going to step in and save you.

Your prob is you still think it needs to be inserted/installed.

All that’s required is flowing with the bystander effect.

Old tech… exploited.

No new tech can save us.

Why would the “illusion” of free-will be necessary if you, sad fucks, have no free-will?
Why would the “illusion” of choice be necessary if we have no choice?

You pseudo-intellectual fucks are infected by the same Biblical dis-ease that causes a degenerate to believe the cosmos has ‘tricked’ him by ‘placing him’ in the ‘wrong body.’

Mind/body dissonance - schizophrenia.

Denial of the act; complete acceptant of the idea, the abstraction, the thought.

Once more…
Why would anyone waste their time trying to convince such pathetic creatures that they have agency, when they contradict themselves daily, with their actions and words?

Why bother trying to convince a sick moron that his body is his identity, and that he cannot be in the "wrong body?

Watch what they do, not what they say.
What they say, is about how they self-deceive; how they cope with their existence.

This is Biblical…even Kraponit claims he’s a godless Marxist, but then resorts to good/evil narratives the Jews put in his stupid head… because he cannot think of any other “atrocity” other than the Holocaust.
No pol-pot, no Mao, no American natives being exterminated…
Hollywood Jewry has implanted in his tiny brain their narratives…and he repeats them like a good automaton.

Same with these hypocritical pseudointellectuals on-line, claiming not to even read my posts.
All a charade… not a cosmic charade their insecurities performing tricks on them.

Why did life even emerge if it has no advantage over a lifeless stone?
Why develop big brains that can judge and adapt their actions to their judgements, if it is all illusory, and we cannot choose or do other than what has been determined?
Why do they pretend they believe in natural selection when they remain Biblical…natural determination, where ‘nature’ substitutes for god?
Cosmic absolute order…where order replaces god’s totalitarian, authoritarian omnipotence?
Who is tricking whom?

Could they be fooling themselves using word-games…like defining concepts in such a way as to get a desired outcome?
Why do they not begin with the act…Will?
An act all can experience in others and themselves?
Why do they begin with the abstraction…the concept, torn away from the experienced world?

Freedom need not be defined as independence from causality, or the past, or suffering?
But they do…because they must deny their culpability.

@Carleas can you do that thing where you neutralize the force of someone’s sophistry… but stop just before turning it into vomit? We need a Satyr translation.

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A call for censorship by a woman starving for attention.

She needs a translator because her mind cannot comprehend anything above absolutes= good/evil…I/other…reduced to a singularity = god.

The question remains…did she choose to post this?
Did she choose to be obtuse and self-deciving?

Are her options - her freedom, her power - restricted by her nature, and to what degree?

to clarify…. in line with @WeirdBeard’s dialogue… there is no absolute evil… it is privative of the Good.

I will tempt the retards who run this place, and who have convinced themselves that human evolution began and ended in sub-Saharan Africa, with another example of what this moron considers “spamming”

The language of these modern/postmodern cowards and hypocrites has been “bewitched”…
They now magically make observable phenomena, like will, disappear, with a supernatural redefinition of ‘freedom.’

And these fools, who pretend to be interested in ‘truth.’ have been manipulated by words…but most of them like it, because they benefit from the manipulation, so they do not expose it, nor do they resist.
They remain compliant with their own enslavement.

A slave who fears the world beyond the fences his masters have erected to keep him trapped, will accept the master’s definition of freedom, as something so extraordinary, so supernatural, that it cannot exist…
Justifying his slavery and why he helps the master maintain the fences that keep the world out…not him inside.

What of the slave who has lost confidence in himself, and his own judgements?
Will he risk going out there, or will he devise all kinds of contrivances to remain inside, where regimentation has reduced his willful action’s costs and risks?
His ego may pretend to be superior, but he secretly feels inferior, so he rationalizes away any concept that prevents his exposure to reality.

How ironic that the denial of free-will is itself an expression of free-will.
The choice to adopt a metaphysical definition that negates the physical act, is itself the epitome of humanity’s self-deceit.

End of Empire psychosis.