Hey folks, I’m new here, hope to find some more free thinkers. I’ve been doing a lot of thinking, a lot of observing, and honestly, a lot of questioning what we’ve all just been told and accepted without a second thought.
I know the idea of a flat Earth might sound a bit out there at first, especially with everything we’re taught in school and see on TV. But bear with me. I’ve found a lot of things that just don’t quite add up when you really dig into the details. I’m not here to yell or call anyone names, just to share what I’ve come to believe and why.
My hope is that we can have some honest, open discussion about this. Maybe you’ve got some questions, maybe you’ve had some of the same nagging thoughts I have. Let’s talk about it. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone has to say.
I expected this kind of reaction, and that’s okay. It’s a big idea to consider, and I understand why it might seem ridiculous at first.
My goal here isn’t to be obnoxious or to ridicule anyone. It’s just to have a conversation and look at things from a different angle. I think it’s important to question things, even the things we’ve been taught are absolutely true.
So, if you’re willing to go beyond just calling it ridiculous, I’m happy to discuss it. If not, that’s fine too. We can agree to disagree.
Alright, you asked for it. Here’s my case, plain and simple.
First off, just look around. The horizon is always flat, no matter how high up you go. If we were on a ball, you’d expect to see a curve, right? But you don’t. You can see for miles and miles, and it’s always just a straight line.
Second, water. Water always finds its level. Always. The oceans, lakes, all of it. How can the ocean be curving around a globe without falling off? It just doesn’t make any sense if you think about it.
And honestly, a lot of the “proofs” for a globe come from sources you just cant trust. All those images of Earth from space? They’re clearly CGI. And the moon landings? I’ve got a lot of questions about that whole thing. It all feels like a big show to keep us believing in the globe.
It’s not about complicated science or fancy math. It’s about what you can see with your own eyes. It’s about common sense.
I get it that NASA and others have outright lied about a lot of things or distorted the truth on others, but with that being said, flat earth stuff is just silly nonsense.
Sure, there was a lot of ancient cultures back in the day who really did believe in all of that where the visual paintings or depictions are neat looking aesthetically, but beyond all that it is pure imaginary fantasy.
That’s almost what I believe! It’s a really great illustration, but there’s just one thing missing. It needs a dome with the stars affixed to it. Other than that, it’s pretty close to how I see things.
I’m glad you brought up the idea of ancient cultures and the aesthetics of their depictions. To me, it’s not just “neat looking” fantasy. Those ancient people were smart, and they based their worldview on what they could see and experience every day. They weren’t using satellites or telescopes; they were using their eyes and their common sense.
You’re right that a lot of what NASA says is questionable, and that’s exactly my point. Once you start to question one thing, it’s hard not to question everything else that comes from the same source. The idea that we have to rely on a few powerful groups to tell us what our world is like, and that we can’t trust our own observations, is a problem.
The flat Earth isn’t just some silly fantasy. It’s an alternative way of looking at the world. It’s about trusting your own senses and not just blindly accepting what you’re told.
For me the curvature of the planet is a sphere, an imperfect sphere, but a sphere nonetheless.
Yes, the gatekeepers of information and knowledge intentionally lie about a great deal of many things, that doesn’t mean they lie about everything. They still have to maintain some small decorum level of credibility.
Really interesting to see a genuine flat earther here. You have a good attitude about how you approach these conversations, I’m curious to see how they develop.
I call bullshit on the original post author’s being a genuine flat earther because they posted it in the philosophy forum without explaining the metaphysical implications. Only this part is interesting:
It’s interesting because you automatically think “You blindly accept what your senses tell you”. We still to this day say that the sun rises and sets despite knowing about the Earth’s rotation. Experience is the data we start with. It requires further analysis using reason. Sometimes our experience is correct. Sometimes it’s an illusion/mirage. The corrective lens of reason can give us vertigo at first until we adjust… ref: the tectonic paradigm shift that was the Copernican Revolution. Granted, it wasn’t about going from a flat earth to an oblate sphere earth, but google how flatearthers explain sunrises and sunsets.
I think that this individual is just taking a position to see what hits back, and to bring up what I just mentioned in the paragraph immediately above.
And there is a repeating theme in ILP these days about “sources”. Like folks are really wanting to talk about when source matters (chain of custody, eye witness testimony, reliability), and when it’s the genetic fallacy.
That’s a fair question, and I appreciate you asking it.
My sources are not some website or a book from a publishing company. My sources are my own two eyes and my own brain. My sources are the same as yours: the world around us.
What I’m asking you to do is to look at the evidence for yourself. Don’t take my word for it, and don’t take the word of NASA or some professor. Visit a beach and look at the horizon. Does it curve? Get a spirit level and check the water in a big lake. Is it level? Look at a compass and consider how it works on a flat map versus a globe.
The sources are all around you, every single day. The testimony of your senses is the most reliable source you have. The “scientific claims” I’m making aren’t bold at all, they’re just basic observations. The truly outrageous claims are the ones that tell you to ignore what you can see and feel, and to trust them instead.
That video is exactly what I’m talking about. You’re not seeing a ship disappear over a curve. What you’re seeing is the ship getting smaller and smaller as it gets further away, and the bottom is getting cut off by the atmospheric haze, not the curve of the Earth. It’s a trick of perspective.
