That’s just beautiful, maan! Any thoughts on this?
Easy as pi: Astrophysicist solves riddle of Britain’s most complex crop circle
Someone needs to get a life, that is if humans did that. Beautiful work I must say. Thats a whole lot of work for such a temporary thing. The planning and the work would take quite a bit.You know, I would think farmers would be out with shotguns watching over their expensive crops by now. I know I would be really pissed if someone did that to my livelyhood, aliens or humans.
So human or other? It would seem to me to be human, we do wierd things for no apparent reason, such as art. If aliens were sending messages I would think something more permanent would be done or more obvious. Why send a message and keep yourself unknown? I can’t think of any possibles.
I always wondered that too. If it was extra terrestrials on my own farmland, could they at least beam me down a couple cows or something for my trouble?
But it’s been argued that bulbs within the circle have an increased capacity for growth which means more food and also significant proof of a complex method to produce the formation.
Because it’s never been a real study in prestigious universities, it becomes a null set. Are those quack claims, or is there something deep to them?
Cool replies, guys!
The circles have been studied by universities etc., and yes, the crops are bent over without being broken, but if we try to make a Circle the crops get broken every single time no matter what the method - they are laso too ;arge and complex to be done overnight, or are we being lied to about that? 
If you could,give me a list of links that weed out the scientists from the spooks. I want an arsenal at my fingertips when guffawed about my quack claims.
I will do so - there have been quite a few documentaries where they show scientists trying to make the circles, and they come out like really crap/a 20th of the size/take days to make, even at that inferior state… there is where the discrepnecy lies, in their origins!
aren’t you funny, Churro!
The only way I know how to lay plants down like that is hot humid air. Hot wet air will soften the plant so that it does not break. It softens the ground also letting the roots give some. A hard fast wind will do it too but, there would be fractures in the plants. Rain could soften certain stalks enough to bend. Is there any mention of these being done after a warm summer rain? Or does rain ever get warm in Britain?
Yeah, i’ve seen documentaries of two jackasses with a night camera and a board with a rope on it to make these massive massive massive crop-circles. thats right. a board with a rope. We’ve seen complicated enough and giant enough crop circles, again and again, claimed that humans couldn’t make it, a day before the hoaxer’s come forward.
Theres also plenty of scientific theory about unusual weather patterns to explain some unknown factors among some crop circles. but i doubt that even needs to be grasped for.
Two famous crop circle makers in the 90s said it’d take about a quarter of an hour to create a 40-foot circle, with very primitive tools. A bunch of people, with less primitive tools, and more practice, could create even more complex, and super large circles.
reductionism and measurement is a proper scientiffic approach.
Arguing the origin on the basis of a tellevised group is bad science.
The formations from an aerial view display the interesting math, but as far as proof or denial that they would have origins no less sophisticated then ropes and planks is a null set. The aerial view says nothing in proof.
A scientist (reductionist) must work to disprove any non-sophisticated origin by examining the catologued bent nodes and rapid growth until (a) the states are reproducible, or (b) the claimants whom do not have boilerplate clauses of entertainment or fictitious purpose are convicted of falsified information.
Expose any fineprint to show that a study is meaningless. Reproduce an experiment to show that the specific changes to vegetation can be made on a massive and selective scale. This is good science.
Weather patterns are ridiculous to explain such complex formations. A couple rope-and-plank made formations do not serve as a blanket rationale. This is bad science.
The thing I don’t understand is the lack of info on crop circles over the centuries. Moreover, the circles seem to be concentrated in certain countries with Britain always the leader in the phenomenon.
Anomolies in earth’s magnetic field could explain part of it, and plant materials could well be suseptible to bursts of magnetism caused by weather or other natural causes. We do live in a complex magnetic field at all times. But if this were the case, we should have had reports or stories about the circles since recorded history.
A naturally occurring vortex phenomenon would never show hard edged breaks in the swirl pattern, such as is shown in this picture. The circle is this picture is a constructed design. Soooo, either we have human “artists” screwing around, or the aliens are playing games with us. Those damned aliens are constantly mucking about. Crop circles, abductions, buzzing around in their saucers with glowing and flashing lights…
And why do the Brits get so much attention? What have they got that we don’t? Maybe a little too much time on their hands?
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Invasion of the bobby snatchers: Police helicopter has close encounter with a UFO
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:17 PM on 20th June 2008
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A police helicopter had a near miss with a UFO in what appears to have been one of the first sightings of its kind.
The helicopter, with a three-man crew, was forced to swerve sharply to avoid being hit by the UFO.
The bizarre incident took place near an RAF base outside Cardiff, South Wales, where the helicopter is based.
The bizarre incident took place near an RAF base outside Cardiff, South Wales, where the helicopter is based.
A source said: “It closed in at great speed, aiming straight at the helicopter.
“The chopper had to swerve sharply to avoid being hit. The guys said if they’d stayed where they were, they’d be dead – it would’ve been a direct hit.
“They are convinced it was a UFO. It sounds far-fetched, but they know what they saw.
“These guys are hardened professionals and know people will take the mickey, but they are certain they saw a UFO.”
The source added to The Sun: “After the near-collision they decided to follow it to find out what the hell it was.
"They belted across the Bristol Channel in pursuit, but it was too quick. They got to the North Devon coast and had to turn back because they were running low on fuel.”
The police Eurocopter, an EC135T21, was hovering in the sky above RAF St Athan late at night, waiting to land, a police spokeswoman confirmed.
While she went on to confirm the sighting of what is termed as an “unusual aircraft”, she went out of her way to avoid using the term UFO.
However, since the object was flying and has not been identified, it appears to satisfy all the relevant criteria to be referred to as a UFO.
While police took a low-key approach to the whole UFO affair today, they also quietly dismissed more dramatic reports of what had happened.
“South Wales Police can confirm its air support unit sighted an unusual aircraft. This was reported to the relevant authorities for their investigation,” police said in a brief statement.
“There are a wide variety of aircraft which come in a range of different shapes and sizes and in all probability this sighting has just confirmed that one of these was in the area at the relevant time.”
The extra-terrestrial encounter happened just before 1am on June 8.
2 very important propositions I want everyone to believe.
(1) Assuming that all crop circles are made with ropes and planks, without conclusive evidence on a unanimous study of random chosen formations, is bad science.
(2) Assuming that any crop circles have an Extra Terrestrial origin, without conclusive evidence (which would require a long and exhaustive line of relation), is bad science.
Anyone approaching the study with pure reductionism has my full encouragement. Anyone jumping to either (a) ropes and planks, or (b) Extra Terrestrials is really not taking the matter seriously.
Not to say that the answer couldn’t be either of the two. Just to say that none of us know, and we shouldn’t pretend to know, unless we’ve done the research.
Unless you can find a job that pays anyone for this kind of research, it’ll never happen. It remains a cold case file in the eyes of the public. Also, who’s to say that all Crop Circles, all pyramids, and all UFOs put together have the same explanation.
I remain somewhat shaken with the fact that it does seem like something very strange is going on. I remain prudent enough that I haven’t proven anything to myself so I shouldn’t try with anyone else.
Which is why I said it was a long-stretch and people didn’t need to grasp for it. and anyway, yes, more recent cropcircles are too complex for weather-systems, but I was specifically talking about areas where cellular changes in the plantlife have been noted, and not complexity of design.
Ah, let me highlight good science for you.
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We know that humans with boards and planks can create abstract crop circles as elegant and as complicated as any that we have seen yet or very very close to it.
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Theres a historical background to scientists/laypeople making the claim “this cannot be produced by humans” to have the hoaxers come out and display their methodology afterwords.
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Since theres no evidence what-so-ever of alien design or robotic interference, its good science to ASSUME, that its CLEVER HUMANS, until EVIDENCE OF ANOTHER CLAIM IS PRODUCED.
so let me go over that again for you.
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Theres massive evidence that *humans can create quick/elaborate crop circles with little or no technology.
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Theres no evidence worthwhile to suggest aliens did it, let alone enough evidence to overpower the theory that humans made it.
obeying standards of evidence based reasoning, putting that into a probabilistic frame-work and then using occam’s razor, is not bad science. You’re bad science!
I never once said that aliens couldn’t be behind it or anything else. the point is theres only evidence for one claim, and only one claim is remotely, remotely, grounded. If you want to claim aliens you need EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE; not only that aliens are making crop circles, but that aliens exist, that they’re conscious, that they fly around in space ships, that they’ve visited earth.
No, even if there was shreds of evidence for aliens, it would be unscientific to assume aliens over humans until the evidence that aliens were making them surpassed the evidence that humans were making them.
This is far far far from the case.
Its good science to use rationality/probability/evidence to come to conclusions off of.
Yeah, you’re right, it is.
And for the record, if someone goes through the research, realizes theres no evidence aliens are making the crop-circles, and then arrives at the human explanation for lack of another with ANY evidence, thats good science.
I’ve read plenty of books on crop circles, I haven’t come across a single one that shows even the remotest objective evidence for aliens making cropcircles. Its not that i’m unresearched and don’t see the evidence about aliens, but its the actual fact, that as far as I can see (and i’ve searched and searched and searched) that there is absolutely no evideence that aliens make crop circles anywhere in the scientific literature.
There is absolutely no alien-based claims in the scientific literature around crop-circles that remotely, remotely stands on its own legs.
and there is absolutely nothing in the scientific literature, ANYWHERE with as much evidence that aliens exist *PERIOD, compared to the evidence, for humans making the crop circles.
Human crop circle making > more evidence than all of alien claims put together.
“You’re bad science” is kind of a petty, baseless, juvenile lashing.
As far as the rest of your argument, I’m not in disagreement.
I’m mostly interested in the “Clever humans” you suggest. How clever are they? What trouble did they go to to bend the plant nodes?
I’m just as annoyed when I see some formation and up cry the crowds shrieking “the aliens did it! and I was on their spaceship and I had tea with them and everything!”
Just as I am a little annoyed when everything about crop circles is relegated to ropes and planks. You agree- this is not the conclusion. Maybe something similar. But it’s not all ropes and planks.
“You’re bad science” in the context is a nonsensical statement, its literally meaningless, it was a joke, though it was specifically meant to compare to your nonsensical use of ‘bad science’.
Clever enough that they realize a large percent of people will believe in flying saucers when they get a a plank of wood and rope together.
Sure, its not “all” ropes and planks, it can just be done easily, with equal complexity, with ropes and planks. and even if not, with low low low technology, and free time on your hand.
If its not all made by ropes and planks, its made by similiar low tech human technology, with humans making the crop circles, though somtimes people use more high-tech shit to make crop circles, like that discovery channel show about re-creating crop circles.
There is absolutely no justification in saying that anything other than humans created cropcircles, with things routinely used, like rope and a plank. If its not all ropes and planks, its all humans using comparitively simple technology (to an alien space-craft) to make them.
until theres one shred of evidence for anything other then this conclusion, theres hardly any reason to suggest the explanation isn’t 100% sound. Theres nothing that would even *suggest aliens, and everything to suggest humans.
and yeah, it was an immature nonsensical joke to say “you’re bad science” its even more immature and nonsensical to accuse me of engaging in bad science, when what I said isn’t bad science, at all. I don’t think anyone here really thought that i meant every human that ever made a crop circle used rope/plank.
Plank and rope would take too long and too much effort also it would tend to be hard to keep on track. Unless you had a precision team and sophistcated GPS. The ground and plants would have to be saturated though. Still, The weight distrubution on the planks would not be even you could break some plants and that would be noticed. I take it no foot prints or tracks have ever been found?
If that is the case then it would have to be someone with a helicopter or a balloon and they would have to be darn good. A helicopter would be noticed. A balloon might not be. Eliminate the human possibles before you think of alien. There are lawn equipments that can be adapted to be silent and used in a precise pattern . There is a non engine sod flattener( it looks like a steam roller and an old style push mower), that can be used to do this type of thing if the plants are softened by water. Its not too heavy that a few could not be flown in by balloon along with the bodies needed to use them.
Here’s an example which follows, of what I mean when I don’t want it quickly relegated to low technology or to ETs.
I’m convinced that there is some rather clever work, I’m not interested in marking the maker and the maker’s purpose. What I do want is either of the following . . .
(a) Any article at all from any University press, which tells us that these claims are absolutely lies. That such a thing has never been found on any crop circle anywhere.
(b) Any article at all from any University press which states that some of these claims are confirmed. They could certainly be made by hoaxers. But the hoaxers were obviously very very dilligent with detail and used a little more machinery than you get at the local hardware store.
I would say that this is not worthy of University attention if it was a random claim in a bunch. But this has been a long-time fad throughout the world. Would any University care to ease the minds of poor gullible people the world over by hiring one person to go around and say “I came, I saw. They’re all full of baloney.”
I don’t refuse that any person could do this. But if any study would go to the trouble of re-creating one of these formations, then be extensive and repeat all of the qualities that were mentioned about the inside of the formation, not just the idea of a formation on the ground. The public argument didn’t go like this . . . “Crop Circles are phenomenal” > “If they’re so phenomenal, why did we make one right now?” > “Well . . . then we found other phenomenon inside the circle. Top that.” No. Rather the argument went like this. “Crop circles are phenomenal, and here’s a lot of detail.” > “We made one” > “But you didn’t account for the details described” > “You’re too picky.”
Now with the example.
Sometimes they have several layers with the stalks bent in different directions.
This does not happen with planks. How do you bend it in several directions unless you went out hand-bending every single one?
In the UK bent stalks have been noticed that look like woven in a pattern.
Planks can’t weave them. How else do you go in to weave them together without braiding every single one?
The bending itself is done at the nodes. This is very peculiar as the nodes give plants their strength. They normally bend between the nodes.
So they also picked each one at the node and forced a bend in the more difficult spot.
Nodes keep a plant upright because they gather water and the water’s pressure in the nodes makes the stalk rigid. In crop images plants bend because the nodes were dehydrated. There is a hole in the node, which looks like an outlet for water vapor that formed after intense heating.
So someone might have gone around poking holes in the stalks to bend them. This is plausible, but it should be prevalant in a study that they would do this.
Measurements have detected an emission of energy at the 5KHz frequency up to several days after the crop circles were formed.
So they irradiated the crop circles then. Yes, humans can do this, I have no doubt. Why not mention that the hoaxer went to this trouble.
Mobile phones, cameras, watches and especially electronic equipment brought in to check the circles have failed and compasses on airplanes flying overhead have been reported spinning out of control.
Well now HERE is a wild claim that is absolutely testable to anyone walking in one. Can I at least get anyone from any University to say: “I walked in. They said I would get these electronic problems. I tried my cell phone. It worked fine. They’re full of crap.” I’d personally donate money to the person.
I haven’t included other claims of reddish balls of light, fenced-off military areas, trilling sounds, etc. because this is all stuff that’s based on eyewitness accounts and we all know a lot of people are stupid and crazy. Yes, we can’t go by the eyewitness crap.