Without homogeneity there is no commonality; no philia.
Philia = friendship.
Ergo, pretentious Marxist midtwit Careless, philo-sophy…friend of wisdom.
Not ‘lover of wisdom’ but friend.
Not agape, but friend.
Friendship is sacred among the aristocratic.
It, sometimes, exceeds the bonds of family, because it is based on choice - free-will - and reason, not emotion, nor chance.
This is why Aristotle focuses on philia…not eros nor agape.
I’d be repeating myself. His homogeneity has little connection to whatever group of readers here might align with the OP.
Yeah, really. I said the US is a disorganized oligarchy and I didn’t see nation states as real anymore. Now you seem to be saying that if Japan is ethnically homogenous, it’s not a plaything for multinationals and globalization. Why not ask Greece how much power it feels in relation to the EU and global corporations, and especially bankers. I don’t think they’ll feel like an independent nation making decisions.
As for the rest. You seem to have a clear idea what you meant by throwing Aristotle in the mix, in this context, in the mish mash of Europeans readers here. I don’t get it. I don’t think what he considers necessary fits what these readers can doing anything with and certainly not with each other. But hey, Unwrong seems to think it makes sense. Moving on.
“Here” in this den of dimwits?
Yeah.
But here philosophy has “little connection” to how they live their lives, or how they make choices.
Yeah, Japan is still homogenous.
But, America is pressuring for it to “open its borders” to immigrants…because nobody under its hegemony can have a different policy from that of the citadel.
And if you resist, like Hungary, they will destroy you, if they can.
I repeat:
All nations under America’s dominion are forced to become copies of America.
Americanism is Globalism.
In what way is Aristotle’s position nonsense?
As for the average reader…who cares?
The average reader, here, has an IQ below 90, or is psychologically compromised, or is completely indoctrinated within Americanism’s Globalization project.
You can’t “do anything” with Aristotle’s insight?
Then that says something about you…
Furthermore…why must truth be useful to you, right away?
You have no interest in truth unless someone tells you how to use it?
Should we shut up about the truth, and let lies continue to be repeated, because YOU, and the average member on ILP, cannot do anything with it?
So, YOU, as a voter in a “democratic system,” can do nothing with the truth?
Why not surrender to lies, right?
Stay quiet…don’t rock the boat.
Why are you in a philosophy forum, if the truth is useless to you?
Most any online discussion forum. Unless it was specifically aimed at participants from one ethnic group, the diversity is already radical for Aristotle. Yes, some forums might have less of some ethnic groups, but generally it’d be a mish mash of groups that get called white, but a mix of groups well beyond what Aristotle would have considered viable. So, either we think that it’s cultural and so this mix has been hanging out together long enough so it’ll be ok, and he didn’t realize that really what to him would have seemed like some chaotic mix can actually work, which leaves open the door to what seems like a bad mix now could end up being ok at some time in the future OR it’s pretty pointless to bring Aristotle in with these mixed groups since it’s pointless.
That has little to do with that region of land being an independent state. It’s not. It’s not a democracy and it’s not a nation state except in the pretend politics. Homogenous countries, mixed countries, all happily swallowed.
Well they certainly got the ball rolling, after the UK handed the ball over. But globalism, clearly, doesn’t need the US which is not a nation state, just where the multinationals really learned their game.
I never said it was nonsense.
The readers period. The mix of European ethnicities who’d read it. Regardless of IQ. Perhaps the point was to bemoan. OK, fine. One can bemoan via Aristotle.
Oh, jesus. I didn’t say I couldn’t
I didn’t say it needed to be useful to me or that it must be useful to me right away. I took
the first sentence, then post, of the thread as context. So, yeah, it seemed like use came in due to the proposal of a potential goal. In that context I don’t see the way Aristotle’s sense of what is necessary fitting given the context of this thread in this forum given the readers.
But don’t address that. Put words in my mouth and address those things.
I apologize for reading what you wrote and taking it seriously.
Must be fun in your hall of strawmen.
LOL, are you that sensitive that you interpreted my posts as a shut up.
I apologize, again, for taking your seriously.
That certainly seems to be what you want to train readers of your posts to do.
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Why are you in a philosophy forum if you can’t handle questions and criticism without making up shit about other people’s positions and having a hissy fit? Grow some balls.
I’ll leave you to people who just nod and agree with everything you say. I appreciate your role modelling of a dimwit.
Thanks for the heads up about yourself.
How is the truth ever “pointless”?
Do you not see what is going on in the US?
The truth helps us understand what is going on and why.
If this doesn’t interest you, then move on.
Occupy your time with metaphysics and “hypotheticals”…
I choose to occupy my time with reality…
Philosophy is about reality.
If only Unwrong can make sense of it, you cannot make sense of it.
So, for you it is nonsense.
You represent the average reader, or do you know who reads and from where they come here to read?
If Aristotle’s quote is useless to you, then do what you promised to do and “move on”.
Nobody forced you to comment.
Occupy your time with what is, for you, useful.
Talk about the crazies or ‘brains in a vat’…or whatever.
My primary goal was achieved …drawing attention to lies concerning ‘diversity being a strength.’
Some American idiot asked for an alternative to Democracy…Well, here it is. TIMOCRACY!!
You think I come here for the ILP participating members?
I’ve dismissed them as ‘hopeless’ and I don’t waste my time with them, by taking them seriuosly…yet, I try to inject some seriousness, once in a while, to address the silent reader…
My audience is nobody and everybody.
Most of those that participate are of a certain kind…you think I come here to convince them?
Then…mission accomplished.
Why do you, then, go on to critique my methods and motives?
What do you know of them?
If you took Aristotle’s insight seriously, as you claim, you wouldn’t be bitching about my posting it on ILP, for these dimwits and Americanised midwits to ignore or piss on, like Kraponit.
I know what I’m doing…if nothing else I’m exposing the lies most people hold to be truth.
I’m exposing the bullshyte they consider indubitable.
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Why are you here, dear?
Why did you feel compelled to intrude with your critique about my motives and methods, disregarding the truth of Aristotle’s insight, pertaining to Timocracy?
Thanks for contributing nothing.
I’m sure you came from a forum where you discuss more interesting subjects…
Do you know about the story of the Wilmington massacre 1898?
Do you want that to happen again? Because all you say here is inciting this kind of hatred. Of course, Wilmington wasn’t the only example of racist abominations. You are abominations if you think that your racist ideology causes anything but suffering and death.
I love the way you Liberal-Leftists excuse yourselves from benefitting of the conquering from your own people…selective ignorance. “It happened before my time”, “It happened before I became aware of it”, as-if, you becoming aware of the issue, makes a difference? Conquering is happening right now, in your name, and what have you done to stop it? Have you given up the rewards it brought you, yet? Have you moved out of the West? Have you given back your land to the Natives, yet?
Let’s assume for a moment, for the sake of argument, that ALL billions of my ancestors, 2000+ years ago in the time of Aristotle, that none of them were Hellenic-Greeks…why should that mean, today, that I shouldn’t learn from and accept the lessons of those Ancient Philosophers? That I shouldn’t apply their wisdom, and mistakes, to my own life or ethnicity? That the Japanese today, can’t learn from them, and can’t use their wisdom to warn themselves of the dangers of Globalist-immigration policies headed their way? Or the waves of immigration of third-world migrants in Western Europe, compared to Eastern Europe? Or what the world banksters would do to China, should they get their way with it?
It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t learn from Aristotle. My God, is this really so hard for people. First, I was referring to a single idea of Aristotle’s about the need for ethnic purity in a group that engages in democracy together. His idea of what ethnic unity would be was vastly more restricted than most modern people. Not white, but, for example Greek. Nowhere did I suggest one couldn’t learn from that idea, let alone Aristotle in general, because of your ethnic background. Of course you can learn even from this one idea. Anyone from any ethnic background can learn from this idea and from Aristotle. My God, will I have to teach you the alphabet or make a list of hundreds of things that I am not saying? Can’t the fact that I didn’t say them be enough to not have it assumed I meant them?
But here we are in a thread suggesting a practical movement in the OP through democracy to timocracy and then Aristotle’s idea is presented in the middle, not long after a photo by the same poster of a bunch of pale skinned redheads. (the photo is not necessary for the point, but I like the irony of it).
OK, who the fuck is looking at this thread. Mostly white people, but from a diverse set of European backgrounds. They simply can’t unify, if Aristotle is right into a functional democracy. And where does Aristotle’s idea get applied? In the US? In the UK? In Europe somewhere?
If Aristotle is right the issue isn’t merely how do the various white people extricate themselves from the multicultural society blamed on the left, and get away from blacks and Latinos, say. No, they need to separate out into much more specific ethnic groups. Essentially there cannot be a democratic USA, if he is right, that can then evolve or devolve into a timocracy. You’d have to divvy up into a bunch of smaller separate nations inside the US.
Or if you think there is enough cultural and genetic unity amongst these various what-sometimes-get-batched as white americans to have a democracy, well, then he was wrong and over time groups he would have considered impossibly different to manage a common democracy can actually do that. then the question is: how wrong was he? If one decides he was wrong.
I seem to be the only person reading the OP and the post with A’s thoughts, even though people participating here include the person who wrote those things.
Or was this all mental masturbation. Disorganized, hey, here’s a quote that fits my emotional reactions to the current situation that I consider inevitable and terrible and I’ll just get off on resentment. And now here’s another one that helps me bemoan and get off while seeming in my OP to be actually in some way, if abstactly, towards something I want, a better society.
Yes, I am sure the thread maker wrote the thread because of his concern for protecting the Japanese and Japan and you get use out of Artistotle’s idea because in addition to have a couple of Greek alleles you might actually be Japanese and your racism only extends to nearby batches of other racial groups.
I thought the thread was called Timocracy but actually it’s really called Save Japan.
It’s sweet the gymnastics that lead you and the bird into the deep concern for Asians. I’m moved by your concerns. If you were Australians, I’m sure you’d be bemoaning Asians, but concerned about Mexico’s plight with the more genetically native Guatamalans pouring in.
Well, you match your master well. When you don’t know something, just assume something and attack.
There are a number of ways to be fragile. One common one is to be weak and nice and play low status.
The other is to lash out. Don’t show anything that might be construed as vulnerability. If something seems to share qualities with something that once threatened you, hit it first, try to understand it later or never.
It may seem strong to take the latter route to dealing with fragility, but you both come off as really reactive and fragile to me.
Don’t mind me. I’ll leave you in your thread in peace to not really read or think about the posts and the thread topic. Ressentiment is a fine and dandy hobby, especially when it can be easily ignored by those not interested in it.
The Era of Timocracy ended in the American colonies when voting-rights were granted to women, blacks, and non-land owning citizens (by the land-owning Anglo-American White males), thus expanding Liberal-Democratic values and the now ‘Democrat’ party, leading to bloated, corrupt government and imperial ambitions: Imperialism in general, is the result of a decaying and dead Timocratic governance. That doesn’t mean Timocracy isn’t ideal in some locations, in some situations, to some ethnic homogeneous groups. You can’t seem to accept this fact, nor do you have a coherent read on history.
When the original waves of European immigrants arrived in the US American colonies, they were not allowed to vote either, or have government representation until they owned land, which was owned by the Anglos before them!
The whole point of Timocratic society is that its Citizenry ought to have vested interest in the health, prosperity, and maintenance of their State. Land-owning is essential in this. When parasites are allowed to vote, then you only need to witness the results today. Look at San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, for real-time evidence and proof, of the end of Liberal-Democracies.
Thought-experiment: Let’s go back to when New York was just starting, with a population of 100,000 English colonists (Whites). Let’s say they import 20,000 Italians. There’s no threat to the democratic (White-English) government. But problems start arising when boats of 100,000 Irish come over. Then, upon receiving these immigrants, the English extend ‘Whiteness’ to the Italians, and now there are 120,000 “Whites” in New York, to override the quantity of 100,000 Irish. Irish are “not yet White”, not yet Anglo-fied, not yet whitewashed. Then, after some more generations pass, another 200,000 foreign immigrants arrive, and the Irish are ‘invited’ into Whiteness.
The racial designation of ‘White’ expands in order to maintain the political dominance of the Landed Gentry Elites, the WASPs.
This process, of ‘allowing’ women to vote, blacks to vote, children to vote, the invalid and infirm to vote, is to match the rising tide of foreigners (now illegal aliens from Latin America) arriving to the successful, 1st world nation.
This is how Democracies always fail, in the end, as indicated and demonstrated by Aristotle and Plato. None of this is to say that Timocracy isn’t valuable or worthwhile. It is to merely show, historically, how and why, the exact reasons and causes, why it is pivotal never to allow or ‘tolerate’ political power to spread Democratically out to the parasites who feed-off the work, risk, labor, blood, sweat, tears, of those who created the New World. Eventually, the parasites become bitter, resentful, hateful, fueled by lies, and self-destructive.
They took no part in the Winning of New York or the American Revolution. Instead, they are misled by propaganda, to hate those who came before them and rule over them: Resentiment and Urbanization. It is propagated through ignorance and low morals. It spreads among the ghettoized and low IQ, like you.
As someone with Dutch genes (and shoes) I feel violated by his not even mentioning New Amsterdam in his version of history. I can feel it in my bones how much my ancestors hated the schapen eten, thee drinken zelfvoldaan Engelschen. They fed off our work clearing out the natives and making the ports, those verdomde hebzuchtige smakeloze voedseleters.
But if one of Aristotle’s great, great, great… grandchildren had gotten off a boat, we would have put aside our differences and made sure the dark intruder was either on the next boat out or cleaning poo from the streets. We’d read that stuff about Greek democracy with Greeks alone…none of that on our island.
Aristotle’s insight exposes what kind of democracy we are living and will continue to live if we do not take heed.
Uniformity through miscegenation and the reduction of identity and culture to a product, will solve the “chaos” with a uniformity most consider “progress” but involves negative consequences based on our current modern/postmodern Americanised lies.
A Timidocracy, for those who are unable to bear the complexity of the modern world… and men in skirts. A return to an imagined past… that their own ancestors were not even part of.
PS: Correction… I’ve been told ancient men use to wear skirts… they were called togas. These were eventually banned though as it was believed they turned the Spartans gay and signalled the beginning of the end for the Roman Empire.
And in my naïveté I thought it was the pederasty, which was not only generally accepted but even so in the Spartan military, before everyone settled down properly with a woman of course, and kept that what’d be called gay stuff to side activities, hobbies. In any case, they kept their manly man chitons and himations, even after colonization.
No, it took more than the Romans to stifle the pederasty…it was Christianity, admittedly coming through the Romans, and, well a gradual decline in pagan hedonism for a variety of reasons, whether it involved adults having sex with minors or just good old inter-adult sex.
Well, I’m neither trans nor female. I read Costard’s post a few times and couldn’t figure out what the point was, but I thought it was funny that togas would be blamed for gayness in a culture that had a central homosexual connection even in its military. More so than Athens, for example, which was warier of pederasty, though also, with restrictions allowed it.
If it bothers you that Sparta had such practices, deal with it. If it’s any consolation, I believe Aristotle did not like the idea at all. He being out in a civilized colony.
Which we can translate into: Unwrong is really sure of his opinions. I’m sure you’ve shown your great skills and noble character in a number of fields and situations.
LOL. It’s like your whole fantasy of what must be true just comes pouring out.
