Timocracy...

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Your arguments are getting worse as you focus on me, personally.

Timocratic governments have transpired, have come and gone, and will come again in the future. You were wrong about Ethnicity. The Hellenes, Greeks, Spartans did have effective Timocratic governments at some points in time. They are usually successful, or simply, according to Nature, a result or symptom of Success. If you study The Republic, as you really ought to since you show no wisdom of it, then you would understand that it is a project aimed at a ‘Just’ society and government, an Ideal relationship among a populace or civitas: Utopianism. The problem, though, is that the Plebians, who did not understand the philosophies, and were never Aristocrats themselves, usurped the idea(l) of Utopianism—which they perverted into Abrahamic-Christian-Jewish-Nihilism. Their “ideal world” became a Death-Cult, an “Afterlife”.

Thus the link between the Hellenic Philosophies and Christianity, or its inversion, Judaism, are crystal-clear, Utopianism turned into Nihilism, (Antithesis - Dystopian).

This is because the ignoble, the weak-minded, the slavish, the fools, cannot recognize the concept of Justice. They have no use for such an ideal, because they are firmly focused on lower, animal-drives (Pathology, Psychosis, Neurosis), namely sex and perversion (as you two just demonstrated and proved).

This is why you and Coastarded, laugh about accusations of homosexuality and pederasty. Because your and his-her-its minds, are in the gutter, in the ghetto, among the ghettoized, the plebian.

This is why you are easily controlled by Jewish magics: pornography, television, movies, mass media, Programmed to react, as you do.

I honestly don’t know why you two come to a ‘Philosophy’ forum, except that you are chasing something that irks you, annoys you, that you’ve been programmed to Hate or see as ‘Nazi’. You are like children, believing your fighting monsters and demons. When you don’t realize that you are part of the DEMOS, the masses, battling yourself without realizing.

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Strange, but I had the distinct feeling that you were describing yourself here.

I have never read such a load of half-informed drivel as you regurgitate regularly on this site. How you can even consider criticising people you know nothing about in that manner is just a sign that something in your mind is not okay. Your lack of respect towards the ability to laugh at one’s self is revealing.

Your self-designated name shows not only your self-aggrandizing ideas of yourself but also your disconnect from the rest of the world. You could stand alongside Ecmandu and I’d not notice a difference.

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Wait…you thought my post about pederasty was an argument. You got no sense of humor man. I saw a silly post and responded. When you quote someone’s post in your post, that’s the post you are responding to. Basic stuff.

You saw my post as an argument about Timocracy. Wow.

I never said they didn’t, nor do I believe they didn’t.

It seems to me that if someone disagrees with a point in your position (not that it was even in your position earlier, but someone else’s) it means they disagree with the entire position.

Utterly binary stance or position that is.

Well Plato’s version never happened. So, we don’t know what the problems with it would be.

So, you think the Greek practice of pederasty was a perversion, fine.

It’s not an accusation; it’s historical fact. But pederasty is not homosexuality, though I suppose if there were homosexuals there at the time, they likely engaged in it.

Really. A quick glance through the threads will show you who here really is fascinated with the gutter. Over and over presenting images from it. When in fact that kind of anecdotal evidence is much less powerful to rational minds, than statistics and facts about the problems of decadence.

And as a non-pederast yourself - I am assuming given your reactions - you might be surprised who is a pederast.

Again, who is with great regularity presenting images from mass media of decadence. And yes, I understand that this is presented critically. But anyone with more than a basic level of psych understanding knows that the preachers against decadence often have mixed motives for their focus.

You start the sentence well. You don’t know. Then you jump to things I haven’t said such as Nazi. You’ve reacted from what you honestly admit (finally, and just for the briefest of moments) you don’t know, and toss out a lot of conclusions. “Something doesn’t feel right, seems not to be fully agreeing me and I don’t like it”, so you hurl every cliche you have for anyone who disagrees about anything that you are for.

There are two teams, in your mind, it seems. Someone seems critical of something done or said by someone on your team. Then they are on the other team. So you are justified in leaping to ‘knowing’ every position they have.

I don’t know what you are doing in a philosophy forum. It seems to me you are more ready for a riot where two groups, each utterly opposed to everything in the other group, have finally made it past the police to each other’s throats.

And there we have a perfect example of a projection.

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It is well-known that Aristotle and Plato admired Sparta.

What you Americanised brains refer to is ancient Greece’s attitude towards nakedness, and their use of multiple terms to refer to what you fucks only have one term, ‘love’.
Paiderasteia is founded on this misunderstanding of the terms eros…describing the intimate relationships teachers established with their students…not physical but mental intercourse, akin to sex.
The manner in which they treated males that preferred homosexual intercourse, is telling.
To be ‘like a woman’ was a derogatory accusation.
To enjoy being sexually used as a woman was also degrading.
Ancient Spartan’s did indeed promote relationships between tis troops to bolster their military unity.

In all cultures when decline begins the upper classes tend to become degenerate.
This is evident in the US, as it was in ancient Rome and ancient Greece.
If homosexuality was normalized in ancient times these civilizations would not have survived past a generation.
We know what happens when men are secluded, and no females are around…it happens in modern armies and in prisons… we also see it in other species when there’s a shortage of members of the opposite sex - a redirection of sexual impulses.
This does not make them homosexuals…as in individuals that prefer members of the same sex, nor have they chosen another lifestyle.
In nature homosexual acts are mostly used to display dominance…which is why it is sickening when a human male makes it his sexual preference.

The anus has not evolved to be penetrated…nor has sex evolved to give pleasure.
Pleasure is not a natural objective…but a mechanism.
Nevertheless, homosexuality, transexuality, most forms of paraphilia, are genetic dead-ends, and so they are unfit.
A society cannot survive the demographic impact if it adopts it as “normal” or promotes it as an alternative lifestyle.

In humans they emerge as a consequence of compounding unfit mutations, sheltered by human systems from natural culling.
As such, they multiply after periods of prolonged dominance, such as when empires reach their peak.
Call is nature’s rebalancing…because it signals an ending of dominance and the beginning of decline - degeneration.
A people that cannot replenish their human resources are a doomed people.
The slightest disadvantage can mean the difference between victory and defeat.

we see it in the US and Britain and how they cannot replenish their military manpower - women and transsexuals cannot compensate for lost masculinity.
It’s more than about physical power, it’s about mental attitude - psychology.

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And here’s the twin, fantasizing about homosexuality, calling everybody else names, wanting to riot and damage something, but getting off by ejaculating into verbal form their abuse in a forum.

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You’re out of your league here, Bobby-Boy! Where you from…Bawhston?? You best let the adults do the debating and conversing here.

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And spending a lot of time sifting through images and videos of decadence and posting them here.

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No, not really…all you’ve really done so far in this thread, is attempt to critique and ridicule the premises of the OP, making inane and off-topic accusations about Ethnic homogeneity, and now I’m not quite sure what you’re doing…arguing for the sake of arguing?

What’s your main point, if any?

No, I really wouldn’t be, surprised. Surprises come less and less, given how long I’ve been doing philosophy now.

Again, you focus on me, rather than any arguments or points at hand. And again, and again, you’re not really saying much or arguing for much in particular.

You’re not Magnus Anderson, are you? New Username, by chance?? You and he have a similar, unfocused mentality when it comes to argumentation and opposition.

Arguing for the sake of arguing…not really my thing, anymore, maybe a decade or so ago when I was in my 20s. That time has come and gone, though.

Are you for Timocracies, or not?? Let’s hear it. Say something smart, or interesting, or even wise, if you can.

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So, which is it? I have an agenda opposed to Timocracy and so on, or I am just arguing for arguing’s sake. I mean, I actually have been reading what you write, but I am not sure if you are.

Further, you don’t read what I write. I have already explained that it was the Aristotle position in that post in the context of the OP. Fine, you didn’t get that in my first foray, but I’ve laid that out clearly, but you still make up stuff.

Maybe this would be a good starting point. Actually read what I write and what you don’t understand, don’t make a bunch of assumptions about.

Great, well then a post not aimed at you but in response to someone who wrote a rather strange silly post, might not have been meant of a criticism of something you hold dear.

Yes, I quickly began focusing on you. You were throwing so many hallucinations at me, that became my focus.

Think for a moment what I would be granting about the two of us if I performed for you now.

I made a point above about Aristotle’s idea about ethnic purity and democracy—>Timocracy. I got a flood of hallucinations in response.

You can ignore me, obviously, if you’re not interested in what I write or what I actually write.

I just got here. It’s a weird place. What my reaction to it will be I don’t know.

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But you already have…performed. You said…something about Ethnicity, then you attacked me personally that “I would not be part of Aristotle’s Ethnic Timocracy”. As-if that personal attack has anything to do with my position, or the OP??? It clearly does not. Because you are assuming that, other non-Greek, non-Hellenic groups, would not equally benefit from a Timocratic system or governance. As-if the British, Anglo-American colonists, themselves had already not done so???

So, you really don’t have much in this thread that makes up a solid, rational ‘point’ or “argument”.

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Let’s return to the greater, previous point of contention though.

Should a Timocratic government be ethnically homogeneous or not? Or presuming further, CAN a Timocratic government operate without homogeneity? I say that it cannot. Because the rewards of a society should go to the genetic in-group of its foundation. Because if it does not, and parasites usurp and control the profit of a society, its wealth, and there is no Recycle to its foundation or its core ethnic origin, then it is already destroyed from the inside-out.

Like America is being destroyed, and Biden’s decrepit, demented state, is a perfect analogy as the general Health of the American Republic.

On its Death Bed…until a new generation takes control, for better, or for worse.

But, hey pandora, you stay focused on me. What you’re good at.

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Factors of additional eligibility, means you may or may not apply them in your own version of Timocracy.

Aristoteles’s insight implies that for a true democracy to function racial/ethnic “philia” is essential…and that racially/ethnically heterogenous populations cannot establish a true and stable democracy.
Democracy requires a degree of self-repression.
Difficult when those governing share nothing tangible with those they govern.
Shared blood, and traditions makes it easier for the governed to make the personal adjustments to their free-will.

In ancient Sparta they had their Homoi …hierarchies among the same.
All Spartans were the same. Same race, same tribe, same culture.
The man instilled in his children values shared by all, including his leaders.

Heterogenous systems necessitates indoctrinations, eliminating all divisive factors, such as race/ethnicity, sex/gender, culture/traditions, families, spirituality etc.
Americanism achieves this by converting it all to a product…a socially constructed product all can gain access to if they pay the price, proving their loyalties.
This is why ion America’s melting-pot everything that resists assimilation is intellectually slandered, including traditional families.
Why traditional families, you fucks may ask?
Because a father passes on his values, and ethics, and traditions to his children, which may contradict the official doctrine.
This can be problematic in ethnically/racially, culturally heterogenous systems.
The concept of family must be reinvented to exclude heterosexual males, releasing (liberating) children to be easily indoctrinated into the system’s values and ethics.

We see it clearly in Americanism where every identifier that disrupts assimilation is reduced to a social construct…a product one can promote and market to the masses, or slander.
All biological identifiers are, therefore, rejected, as being disruptive to the cohesion of heterogenous populations.
When all is reduced to a product marketing takes over…and marketing has advanced into a science.
The science of lies.
Bernays…propaganda, based on his uncle Freud’s sexual insights.
You’ll notice the obsession with sex and sexuality, among the Americanised psychotics.

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I know, I have returned after a long absence and feel the same.

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Age 24+ should be the minimum age eligible for Citizenship, because before 24, teenagers, adolescence and young adults are not fully-formed mentally or of sound mind, to be able to represent their Society. A degree of maturity and ‘worldliness’, reconnection with Nature, needs to be reinforced. The more Nihilistic, Detached, Delusional citizens are, the sicker and weaker Society becomes. Age 24 to 76 sounds best.

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I know quite a few that “are not fully-formed mentally or of sound mind” within that bracket, and some post here.

Since when is it required on a discussion forum to be “for or against”?

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On second thought, age 24-64 sounds better. Citizens should, ideally, be capable to fight in war and military. They should be physically strong, in addition to mentally strong. Beyond age 64, Citizens can be very productive and valuable, but their physical fragility needs to be restricted.

Perhaps then, age 64 should incur a forced retirement from public service.

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Timocracy provides a solution to age requirements.
Military service can only begin at age 19…and managing to meet the criterion of producing a tangible good would take time…so citizenship can only be attained at an age closer to 30.

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Veterans often face various mental health challenges after active duty, which can result from the unique stressors and experiences they encounter during military service. Of course, these challenges can vary widely among veterans, and not every individual will experience the same difficulties. Not everyone is suited for combat duty, and military organisations recognise this reality. Combat roles require a specific set of physical, mental, and emotional attributes that not everyone possesses. No specific age group is universally considered better suited for combat duty. A combination of physical fitness, mental resilience, skills, training, and the specific requirements of the military branch or unit typically determines the suitability of individuals for combat roles.

Of those who are selected, younger individuals often possess physical agility, stamina, and adaptability, which can be advantageous in physically demanding combat situations. They may also be more recent in their training and education, which can contribute to their readiness. Older individuals may bring experience, maturity, leadership skills, and a broader range of life experiences to the military. Some older soldiers may have valuable skills and knowledge gained from civilian careers that can be applicable in military contexts.

Combat situations can be highly stressful, requiring individuals to remain focused, make quick decisions under pressure, and cope with potentially traumatic experiences. Exposure to traumatic events during combat or other military experiences can lead to PTSD. Symptoms may include flashbacks, nightmares, hypervigilance, and emotional distress. Estimates suggest that approximately 11-20% of veterans who served in Operations Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and Enduring Freedom (OEF) experience PTSD in a given year. Veterans who have been directly involved in combat may have higher rates of PTSD. It can affect veterans of various ages, and there is no specific age range at which it typically occurs. PTSD can manifest at any point after an individual has experienced a traumatic event, including during or after military service.

In America, the minimum age for enlistment is 17 with parental consent, and the maximum age is 35. The minimum age for joining the British Army is generally 16 years old with parental consent, and the maximum age is typically 32 for regular enlistment. However, there are age waivers and exceptions based on specific roles, experience, and qualifications. The upper age limit for Army Reserve enlistment is usually 42. The Royal Navy typically has a maximum age of around 36 for most roles, and in America, the maximum age is 34. The Marine Corps have a minimum age for enlistment at 17 with parental consent, and the maximum age is 28.

Depression, Anxiety, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Substance Abuse, Challenges in Relationships, Survivor’s Guilt, Anger and Irritability, Sleep Disorders, Isolation and Alienation and Difficulty Adjusting to Civilian Life are other challenges for veterans.

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Timocracy also filters out certain types of humans.
Low IQ
Low self-control
Impulsive.

Because to produce tangible goods over a long period of time requires a particular mindset and a level of IQ that would filter out the majority of individuals that currently participate in the political system.
Impressionable halfwits are easily manipulated by propaganda campaigns, funded by those with the means to access vast audiences, essentially determining elections with their wealth and marketing specialists.