Think back to the time that God was living as a human in the form of Jesus Christ. Let’s say Jesus is delivering an important sermon which is far more effective if it goes uninterrupted than if it does get interrupted. During the sermon, Jesus feels a nasty case of diarrhea coming on. Does he use his godly powers to stop the diarrhea or does he excuse himself in the middle of the sermon to use the rest room (or whatever they were called in those days)?
A fair question … maybe even happened?
What would you do … in Jesus’ shoes … in these circumstances?
This morning I’m thinking I would shit my pants … the relief would feel far better the price … shit stained pants in public.
Babies have no compunction about shitting their pants in public.
When did we lose this ‘freedom’?
Oops! I forgot … thankfully only momentarily 
[b][i]" How society imposes on us some random, capricious blueprint of how we should live our lives, and shames those
individuals who dare go against it." Author Unknown[/i][/b]
The “flock phenomenon”?
Did Jesus have a butthole?
I see evidence only of eating, not defecation, in the Bible, and he can multiply food substances from next to nothing. Perhaps Jesus only digested up to the point of consuming the nutrition, then beamed his poo matter back into a energy form.
E= MC2 God will know this.
Even if he was born with a butthole, it might of slitted over with skin from never being used.
Its why you never see a bathroom in Star trek, they just have their poop teleported out.
Entirely possible!
But since you mention he had a mouth … the same arguments I mentioned in my previous posts hold.
He would likely have endured considerable discomfort to avoid giving birth to a healthy … albeit rather noisy … belch in the middle of his dissertation!
Just like most people endure considerable discomfort to avoid giving birth to a healthy … albeit perhaps stinky or noisy … fart in public.
More evidence supporting the ‘flock phenomenon’?
He never did burp, wasn’t in the natal chart the three wise men drew up.
But in all seriousness, I said that as much as for comedy as to Dodge the natures of Christ issues debated by the various Holy Sees to this day, but also because it hints at your question.
In Gaza, the Pagan Neo-Platonist movement was in open philosophical contention with the Christians. It took a few generations for Christians like Aeneas of Gaza to fully grasp the import of the Neo-Platonists arguments and surpass them. The idea behind teleportation comes from the philosophy of that era, as well as the moral and metaphysical questions surrounding science fiction teleportation… and the role matter would play in causality, etc.
It seems like something you can besmerch as ignorance, but most arguments one can use to upset the idea of Jesus using the scientific approach was already considered by Christians a very long time ago, and received even further update under the much later Aquainus.
So as a Christian I feel very comfortable joking about such things, modern atheistic thinking is ironically not that far different from Christians when you look at our best philosophers. Had I said the joke above to the theologians in the debate, they would more likely laugh than claim I was sacrilegious, as they would certainly grasp the concept, it’s something they themselves toy and pondered with, and we toy with in our science experiments today. A legitimate question even if approached childishly.
The alternatives seem simple enough …
- Jesus was human … end of story
- Jesus was Divine … whatever that means??
- Jesus was a hybrid of the human/Divine binary
- Jesus was an alien … capable of switching between human/Divine at will.
- Jesus was an alien … capable of shape-shifting into any manifestation … material or otherwise … recognizable by us dumb dumb humans.
Take your pick.
Me too! It seems ‘truth’ reveals itself when we are not so arrogant … when we are open enough to dig into the earth with our hands … unafraid to get our hands dirty … and not so pompous as to be ashamed that our neighbor may witness us playing “peasant”
IMO … teleportation has long passed from idea to reality … it happens … just not generally acceptable in the current human consciousness.
Me too!
Not that long ago I would have been burned at the stake like Joan of Arc. Even today I’m sure I would be excommunicated.
As long as we are discussing the physical aspects of Jesus, we might ask if he ever had an erection.
Fair enough question
Reflecting on it my mind poses 2 more questions:
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Was Jesus married to Mary Magdalene?
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If so, was their relationship … including their marriage … a normal human relationship?
If we are made in Gods image then God has erections and gets wet down there in his femalenes. So, then, Jesus and Mary (both) also.
I suppose it’s convenient … at least more palatable … to interpret the words “we are made in God’s image” literally. Perhaps it makes it easier to project our human weaknesses … and strengths … on to the Abrahamic notion of God.
If Jesus and Mary existed and were wholly human your comment certainly seems logical.
More thoughts …
Perhaps the “We are made in the image of God” … beard and all … story served a legitimate purpose in its’ day. It unified the adherents of the story and provided a certain comfort for their consciousness … it answered … albeit perhaps falsely … many unanswered questions of that time.
Time marched on and around 30 AD those who controlled the “We are made in the image of God” story may actually have felt threatened … may have found their ‘story’ slipping into the realm of “bullshit”. There was a desperate need to prop up the story … and some genius come up with the idea of bringing God into the human flock … the Incarnation … the Jesus story.
As Moreno mentioned in another post this moved Judaism into the shadows … but at the same time gave the political establishment a “Judaism” they could live with … and provided an opportunity for the survival of Judaism along with the hope of emerging as the front runner some day.
Both stories were left with some common ground … in Christianity … the second coming of Jesus. In Judaism … the continued wait for the Messiah.
Both stories are being proselytized yet today … one directly … the other indirectly.
We don’t need to take it literally to nevertheless consider God likely sexual. IOW God does not have to be some guy or gal with a human like body - even a very large one - sitting on a throne somewhere. But rather that God has feelings, thoughts, consciousness, awareness, and yes even desires, including sexual ones, and that the universe may well be a product of godlike sexuality and this is mirrored in our more limited way here. That sexuality is fundamental to creation, though this sexuality which includes the divine version, is perhaps a broader kind than ours. And certainly any kind of immanent god or pantheistic version has gods or God as sexual, since our universe is a part of God. And if God is not limited, as they seem to believe in the Abrahamic religions, then He or (them or She) is present in sexuality here on earth. Why a deity would make something icky that is in fact fundamental here seems odd to me. I can’t say for sure that allowing for evil is necesarily odd, but making something fundamental even to saintly lives that God considered wrong or icky would be very odd, it seems to me.
Insightful thoughts Moreno … again!
I read somewhere that the closest humans can come to experiencing God on earth is ‘orgasm’ … at the moment this thought … can’t remember the source … seems consistent with your comments.
Back to my speculations concerning the story … in particular … the Abrahamic story(s).
Despite the obvious human agency in the creation of these stories … seems to me there is no way to prove there isn’t an “invisible hand” guiding the script(s). The expression “Ghost in the Machine” comes to mind.
I remain inclined to believe “God” … whatever people believe the word to mean … gave certain precepts (scripts) to both the East and the West. The precepts(scripts) evolved differently … yet … may still come together at the appointed time.
I think he would use a celestial butt plug.
Nice quote. This phenomenon has sustained religion for thousands of years.
Seems to me the quote has sustained more than just religions for 1000’s of years. One might argue that it(the quote) has sustained all “group think data pools” as Philosopher 1001 labels them … for 1000’s and 1000’s of years.
More thoughts on the Abrahamic script(s) and the potential for integration of Eastern and Western spirituality/philosophy.
I’m certainly not the first person to suggest the potential for such “unity”.
The 18th century Figurists advanced such a theory. Apparently Leibniz … recognized by some as the last universal genius … expressed some sympathy for the theory. Nonetheless the theory was very short lived.
Apparently the Nestorians may have tinkled/flirted with such a theory as well many centuries earlier.
Today we have some speculation that the Genesis story is embedded in the ancient Chinese pictorial characters.
Why is the “integration of Eastern and Western spirituality/philosophy” so important for you?
Well, Mutcer - if I’m not mistaken, his godly powers were only used for the benefit of others but then again, we don’t want to stop a wonderful sermon, do we - one that is beneficial to mankind?
What would have been of more benefit for the crowd?
Quite frankly, the part of him which was god might have known ahead of time what would have happened and he would have simply waited til he was “cleared.”
Being practical, if it was unavoidable, he might go down the other side of the Mount, do his thing while having his disciples sing songs in his absence, just to hold the crowd’s interest. Or maybe magic tricks.
Put yourself in Christ’s place. What would Mutcer have done?