Trump

he didn’t actually reduce taxes for working people. he reduced withholdings which gave the appearance of it in the form of bigger paychecks…but then smaller returns at the end of the year. also the plan he passed which did that actually has scheduled tax hikes for the middle class built in.

Like I thought, you get your info from the democrat agenda.

No further need to continue this exchange.

You’re asleep. Carry on.

Wendy.

The “democratic agenda” Is socialist. Always has been.

You know?

Shit like roads. Shit like public schools. Shit like Medicare. Shit like social security. Shit like pensions. Shit like worker’s compensation. All of it.

You are so far gone Wendy.

Trump is trying to destroy democracy. He’s even trying to destroy the illusion of democracy.

What feelings do you have as you insult me?

Perhaps, you are doing it wrong. Try harder, dig deeper into your well of non-emotional insults, pretty please. [-o<

(Imagine I am the Emperor Palpatine)Unleash your hate further! Lay yourself bare for all to see. Trust me, it’ll be good for you(being on the darkside!).

I don’t know. I certainly think that he tried, given the political realities that he faced. I don’t think that any president in US history ever faced the kind of hatred, lies and even outright sedition that he faced.

What I meant was merely that the agenda Trump gave voice to before the election didn’t change significantly after he was elected. Which answered my pre-election concerns that he was really just another new york globalist billionaire elitist who was simply pretending to be a man of the people.

I’ll vote for whoever appears to me to be best able to further a Trump-style agenda.

Trump was changing the orientation of the Republican party away from being the party of big Wall Street business towards being the party of the American middle and working classes who actually wield votes. While that increased its attractiveness to voters, it angered a lot of interests who represent few votes but lots of campaign contributions and armies of lobbyists. There was a whole class of ostensible Republican elitists who felt things slipping from their grasp and fought back.

I expect that many of those will be voted out of office, since their voting records don’t really reflect the wishes of any large bloc of voters. Might take a while though. So the more populist wing of the Republicans will have to find common cause with the big-business/rich-persons wing of the party when that’s possible. The Democrats are in a similar situation where their moderate and radical elected representatives have to reach some agreement. We are at an interesting stage when the divisions within the parties are at least as large as the divisions between them.

I don’t think that parties are going anywhere. Even without parties there will still be ideologies and people will group around those so as to form what amount to parties.

What we are apt to see, and might be seeing as we speak, is a great reallignment of the parties. In the early 20th century in the UK, the two big parties were the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party. Then the Labour Party appeared, stole the Liberal Party’s working class support and reduced the Liberals to minor party status. (Analogous events on the British left to what I see happening today on the US right.) In the US, the last big reallignment was right before the Civil War when the Whigs disappeared and the Republicans appeared.

Assuming of course that the US continues as a democracy, something that’s looking increasingly questionable in my opinion.

Yazata wrote

I agree.

Yazata wrote

He did (or made every effort) to follow through on all his campaign promises, uncommon in politics.

Yazata wrote

I agree.

You mean - “assuming that the US restores democracy” - meaning they have to -

  • Breakup social media monopolies
  • Enforce anti-fraud voting laws (get rid of the Dominic voting machines)
  • Prosecute criminal socialists

K; we will take from bottom to top…

Prosecute people who are socialists… according to Ob, anyone who doesn’t
follow Obser faith (and it is faith that obser engages with) anyone who doesn’t follow
oberserv faith is a criminal by definition…hence one is a criminal by lack faith
in the messiah…IQ45…one is a criminal who holds different beliefs then Observ…

two: enforcing voter fraud laws are already place and they work…this last
election every single voting expert said it was a very clean and fraud free
election… even the person IQ45 put in charge of voting (on the federal level)
said the election was clean and fraud free… and the machines you are thinking of
is dominion voting systems and they have sued every lawyer on IQ45 team including
Rudy for BILLIONS of dollars for suggesting the voting machines were
compromised in any way, shape or form…and in the discovery phase
we will be able to see just how clean these machines were… Dominion would not
have sued if they thought they might lose…

and finally social media companies, you have to make the connection between
those social media companies and democracy…

but of course you entirely missed the real actions that can help us
regain democracy… limit the power of corporations to influence/buy
politicians… it is the money that corporations have that has denied
us democracy in America… of course Oberve like all right wing
believers miss the basic facts that the problem isn’t the government…
it is corporations that own the government that is the problem…

the next step to reforming democracy is by eliminating
the massive income inequality we have in this country…
whereas 500 people own as much wealth as HALF the world does
put together… this is where democracy is having problems,
the wealthy is buying up entire governments… as the Kock
brothers have bought up a couple of state legislations,
including Wisconsin and the Dakota’s, Wyoming, and Kansas…
every single legislator in those states is bought and sold
by the Kock brothers…

you want to make democracy free… end the tyranny of money
in our democracy…

Kropotkin

Typical lying you.

I said to prosecute the criminal socialists - not all socialists (most are merely stupid). Socialists are anti-democratic and obtain their anti-democratic power largely through criminal behavior. So to restore democracy - the criminals involved in anti-democratic behavior (the socialists, unions, and monopolies - including corporate) must be countered and impugned. And no - that doesn’t mean all other criminals are to be set free (as the socialists have been doing to help obtain their power) - but it is specifically the anti-democrat criminals - the socialists - who must be prosecuted in order to restore some semblance of an actual democracy.

James S Saint used to stress the necessity of a verifying process in adding laws, to secure the intended power of the Constitution. It was a rather laborious process he had designed, but probably a good idea.

The US never had true equality, because of the way the justice system works; if you can afford an expensive lawyer you can largely keep out of jail, etc - also the principle of bail - freedom is largely bought at the justice level. Not universally so but largely.

This should really be at the core of a rational, nonMarxist socialism, the fight for equal distribution of law, but I dont think it’s even ever mentioned. Or is it? I think Marx kind of obscured these issues. Jeez, Marx. Did anyone read him here?

His argument is as follows; use value and exchange value are not linearily related, therefore neither really exists. Therefore there is only the value of labour.

:cry:

Actually. Thats what he says.

Is there ANYONE still willing to defend TRUMP?

Please read.

Just hours after President Donald J. Trump posted on social media yesterday that “[b]ecause of Tariffs, our Economy is BOOMING!” a new report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) said the opposite. Founded in 1961, the OECD is a forum in which 38 market-based democracies cooperate to promote sustainable economic growth.

The OECD’s economic outlook reports that economic growth around the globe is slowing because of Trump’s trade war. It projects global growth slowing from 3.3% in 2024 to 2.9% in 2025 and 2026. That economic slowdown is concentrated primarily in the United States, Canada, Mexico, and China.

The OECD predicts that growth in the United States will decline from 2.8% in 2024 to 1.6% in 2025 and 1.5% in 2026.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released two analyses today of Trump’s policies that add more detail to that report. The CBO’s estimate for the effect of Trump’s current tariffs—which are unlikely to stay as they are—is that they will raise inflation and slow economic growth as consumers bear their costs. The CBO says it is hard to anticipate how the tariffs will change purchasing behavior, but it estimates that the tariffs will reduce the deficit by $2.8 trillion over ten years.

Also today, the CBO’s analysis of the Republicans’ “One Big, Beautiful Bill” is that it will add $2.4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade because the $1.2 trillion in spending cuts in the measure do not fully offset the $3.7 trillion in tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations. Republicans have met this CBO score with attacks on the CBO, but its estimate is in keeping with those of a wide range of economists and think tanks.

Taken together, these studies illustrate how Trump’s economic policies are designed to transfer wealth from consumers to the wealthy and corporations. From 1981 to 2021, American policies moved $50 trillion from the bottom 90% of Americans to the top 1%. After Biden stopped that upward transfer, the Trump administration is restarting it again, on steroids.

Just how these policies are affecting Americans is no longer clear, though. Matt Grossman of the Wall Street Journal reported today that economists no longer trust the accuracy of the government’s inflation data. Officials from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which compiles a huge monthly survey of employment and costs, told economists that staffing shortages and a hiring freeze have forced them to cut back on their research and use less precise methods for figuring out price changes. Grossman reports that the bureau has also cut back on the number of places where it collects data and that the administration has gotten rid of committees of external experts that worked to improve government statistics.

There is more than money at stake in the administration’s policies. The administration’s gutting of the government seeks to decimate the modern government that regulates business, provides a basic social safety net, promotes infrastructure, and protects civil rights and to replace it with a government that permits a few wealthy men to rule.

The CBO score for the Republicans’ omnibus bill projects that if it is enacted, 16 million people will lose access to healthcare insurance over the next decade in what is essentially an assault on the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The bill also dramatically cuts Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Plan (SNAP) benefits, clean energy credits, aid for student borrowers, benefits for federal workers, and consumer protection services, while requiring the sale of public natural resources.

These cuts continue those the administration has made since Trump took office, many of which fell under the hand of the “Department of Government Efficiency.” But, while billionaire Elon Musk was the figurehead for that group, it appears his main interest was in collecting data. His understudy, Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought, appears to have determined the direction of the cuts, which did not save money so much as decimate the parts of the government that the authors of Project 2025 wanted to destroy.

Vought was a key author of Project 2025, whose aim is to disrupt and destroy the United States government order to center a Christian, heteronormative, male-dominated family as the primary element of society. To do so, the plan calls for destroying the administrative state, withdrawing the United States from global affairs, and ending environmental and business regulations.

Yesterday the White House asked Congress to cancel $9.4 billion in already-appropriated spending that the Department of Government Efficiency identified as wasteful, a procedure known as “rescission.” Trump aides say the money funds programs that promote what they consider inappropriate ideologies, including public media networks PBS and NPR; the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which provides food and basic medical care globally; and PEPFAR, the U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief that was established under President George W. Bush to combat HIV/AIDS in more than 50 countries and is currently credited with saving about 26 million lives.

Vought appeared today before the House Appropriations Committee, where members scolded him for neglecting to provide a budget for the year, which they need to do their jobs. But Vought had plenty to say about the things he is doing. According to ProPublica’s Andy Kroll, he claimed that under Biden “every agency became a tool of the Left.” He said the White House will continue to ask for rescissions, but also noted that, as Project 2025 laid out, he does not believe that the 1974 Impoundment Control Act, which requires the executive branch to spend the money that Congress has appropriated, is constitutional, despite court decisions saying it is.

Representative Rosa DeLaur0 (D-CT) told Vought: “Be honest, this is never about government efficiency. In fact, an efficient government, a government that capably serves the American people and proves good government is achievable is what you fear the most. You want a government so broken, so dysfunctional, so starved of resources, so full of incompetent political lackeys and bereft of experts and professionals that its departments and agencies cannot feasibly achieve the goals and the missions to which they are lawfully directed. Your goal is privatization, for the biggest companies to have unchecked power, for an economy that does not work for the middle class, for working and vulnerable families. You want the American people to have no one to turn to, but to the billionaires and the corporations this administration has put in charge. Waste, fraud, and abuse are not the targets of this administration. They are your primary objectives.”

The use of the government to impose evangelical beliefs on the country, even at the expense of lives, also appears to be an administration goal. Yesterday, the administration announced it is ending the Biden administration’s 2022 guidance to hospital emergency rooms that accept Medicare—which is virtually all of them—requiring that under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act they must perform an abortion in an emergency if the procedure is necessary to prevent a patient’s organ failure or severe hemorrhaging. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires emergency rooms to stabilize patients.

The Trump administration will no longer enforce that policy. Last year, an investigation by the Associated Press found that even when the Biden administration policy was being enforced, dozens of pregnant women, some of whom needed emergency abortions, were turned away from emergency rooms with advice to “let nature take its course.”

Finally tonight, in what seems likely to be an attempt to distract attention from the omnibus bill and all the controversy surrounding it, Trump banned Harvard from hosting foreign students. He also banned nationals from a dozen countries—Afghanistan, Chad, Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Myanmar, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen—from entering the United States, an echo of the travel ban of his first term that threw the country into chaos.

Trump justified his travel ban by citing the attack Sunday in Boulder, Colorado, on peaceful demonstrators marching to support Israeli hostages in Gaza. An Egyptian national who had overstayed a tourist visa hurled Molotov cocktails at the marchers, injuring 15 people.

Egypt is not on the list of countries whose nationals Trump has banned from the United States.

To anybody who reads the News, the Elon Musk Donald Trump breakup will dominate the news for the foreseeable future, and what it means should Twitter return to American Neoliberals and the Left. The 2026 Midterms would be in jeopardy. Obviously this breakup was imminent, given Donald Trump’s inability to inspire loyalty within his inner-circles. It’s a glaring reminder that Trump was never a DC Politician, and has learned little in that regard. He’s repeating many of the mistakes he made during his first term.

That said, there’s speculation regarding the breakup. My summation: after Elon’s Tesla vandalism and attacks, dropping stock prices and value, I believe Elon expected Trump and House Republicans to go through on their Federal mandate for EVs, meaning that they would be able to keep his business and revenue afloat. That was recently removed and spiked from the “Big Beautiful Bill”. Elon likely felt betrayed, seeing that his investment into the Trump campaign and election, was not only un-returned, but his efforts with DOGE and government spending were also failing.

Elon Musk is naive. What say you, ILP crowds?

I couldn’t care less. What’s the big deal? It’s just another capitalist being a government hating capitalist until everybody stops buying his shit at which point he runs to the government to give him money.

I don’t pay any attention to those clowns.

Well, lots of liberals across the nation were setting fire to Teslas, to start, national vandalism. The rift represents a weakness in the Conservative political establishment. These affairs could affect space exploration, travel, and development. Steve Bannon called for the Trump admin to seize Musk’s governmental assets and investments which comprise national security interests.

Of course you don’t care; you never invested in the American system and are still pining for a Marxist overthrow that seems unlikelier by the day. DOGE was, at the very least, a beginning to hold Governmental bureaucracy accountable for something, even if pennies. It failed.

I’ve explained to you how this works a hundred times there Billy Beltbuckles.

The capitalist who employs a large workforce has the government under his thumb. If the company goes under, everyone becomes unemployed, and the government can’t have that. So, the government gives money to the capitalist to keep him afloat.

So basically, first Joe gets far less than the value of what he produces for Musk… then the government takes a portion of Joe’s paycheck and gives it back to Musk so Musk can stay in business and continue exploiting his workers.

The working class is being gangbanged by the capitalist and his pet government.

Of course, i haven’t invested in it (except for the profits and taxes i have been handing out to governments and companies I’ve worked for since i was 16) because it’s a joke.

But this is my fault. I could have packed my bags and dropped off the map twenty years ago. I was too much of a pussy to be prepared for a shootout with the cops when they come to collect me off whoever’s property I’m illegally on.

I am becoming increasingly disillusioned, disappointed and dismayed with Trump. What’s more, he isn’t even a gamer (many other presidents were gamers.)

This is in no way a defense of Trump, but I’m wondering what are we as Americans supposed to do? Leftists just seem like this: When people think of the American left, they think of this:

That’s exactly the situation along the entire West Coast USA. The 1970s Hippie burnouts migrated West, and have ‘revolted’ so far as to completely lose their way and dignity. The West is now littered with Fentanyl addicted zombies. It’s become unliveable to anybody with an un-deluded mind. The nihilism and rot has already set in.

Only a ‘Christ’ figure could possibly turn things around… cohencedentally.

Hence why trump got the votes, even if he didn’t really deserve them.

British kids OWN the Trump Regime

FIND OUT..

The find out part of FAFO, has another element today..

Ford shut down production of its Explorer SUV at its Chicago plant for a week in May because of the rare earths shortage.